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Weirdness
11-08-13, 07:58 AM
Hi all!

Did a quick search and couldn't find anything other than mention of the RP40--wondering if these belts are going to be available for all tables, when and how much.

Have had the white belts on my p9 for a couple of years so I'm probably due, may as well try the red belts if they are going to be available soon.

Side note--bought my original series p9 as new old stock do I need to do an oil change on it? Do myself or bring to a tech?

Thanks...

DSJR
11-08-13, 10:31 AM
The oil on Regas generally lasts for a decade or more before it dries out or at least congeals a bit into a dark brown goo. The P9 bearing may well be different though. As for belts, why not either PM Paul Darwin here (if he misses this post) or give Rega a call in the morning :)

Hi Five
11-08-13, 10:41 AM
Try some Edwards Audio Little Belters they are awesome.

DSJR
11-08-13, 10:47 AM
The Edwards belts add motor noise as they're very tight (according to a recent review AND a friend's experience with one). The P9 ain't some beat up old Planar from yonks ago that you can bodge away at with any old 'me too' rubbish, but was very carefully conceived from the outset. T'would be a shame to ruin it with some third party stuff intended for a bodge-up RP1.. Apologies, I don't mean to be rude, but these things need to be said IMO.

Robert M
11-08-13, 02:01 PM
My white belt has a kink of some sort in it, maybe its because I haven't use the rega p2 much in the last year.

paul darwin
11-08-13, 02:16 PM
Hi Rob, if you pass the belt a few times through your fingers and "warm it up" the rubber compound will asume its normal shape.

Paul Darwin
Rega Research

Robert M
11-08-13, 02:25 PM
Cheers Paul, will try that.
Any info on the red belts?? :)

paul darwin
12-08-13, 02:39 AM
The red silicone belt has been developed for use on the Naiad turntable project and will also be the belt in the RP3 40th anniversary package. I have yet to see one in the flesh myself but would expect that they would be made available as an upgrade in the future as with the white belt.

Paul Darwin
Rega Research

Rack Kit
12-08-13, 10:42 AM
I heard that the original colour of the belt was meant to be Green but they weren't allowed to build on it.

Sorry, couldn't resist. ;)

Weirdness
12-08-13, 05:48 PM
Will keep an eye out thanks.

Maybe I'll just skip the belt upgrade and go straight to the RP10...

thebiglebowski
12-08-13, 06:02 PM
I've seen the white belts for sale on the analogue seduction site, do they make a difference and if so why?

Is it worth adding to my rp6?

antonio1
09-10-13, 08:37 AM
any news?

Gerald
09-10-13, 08:57 AM
The Edwards belts add motor noise as they're very tight (according to a recent review AND a friend's experience with one). The P9 ain't some beat up old Planar from yonks ago that you can bodge away at with any old 'me too' rubbish, but was very carefully conceived from the outset. T'would be a shame to ruin it with some third party stuff intended for a bodge-up RP1.. Apologies, I don't mean to be rude, but these things need to be said IMO.

This post is out of order .

You are entitled to your opinion on the belt per se , though for ****s sake its heresay evidence .However , you are not entitled to your sycophancy for all things rega leading to the rubbishing of all after market add ons ,to be simply accepted without rebuttal.

It is inappropriate and crass to call none manufacturer add ons "bodges" or me to rubbish ,especially as there is an established culture of none manufactured upgrades to most if not all turntables .

This is hifi suck it and see .

Also your post is glaringly incongruous when juxtaposed against the fact that Mr Darwin admits a better belt will be available as an after market add on shortly for all rega turntables which will include the rp9.

thebiglebowski
09-10-13, 09:03 AM
Do you have word of the day toilet paper where you just pick a random word and throw it into a sentence?

Gerald
09-10-13, 09:12 AM
I would bet 10 that every word in the post above as been used in a previous post .:p

tee-bee
09-10-13, 10:07 AM
I've got the Edwards Audio blue belt.

Much better than the OEM Rega black belt. No issues with noise.. then again I own an Rp-6.

linnfomaniac83
09-10-13, 11:37 AM
I've got the Edwards Audio blue belt.

Much better than the OEM Rega black belt. No issues with noise.. then again I own an Rp-6.

Does it maintain the correct speed? I have known third party belts to make the deck run fast!

tee-bee
09-10-13, 11:55 AM
No issues at all.. am happy with it. Don't think I'll go back to the black Rega belt

Sue Pertwee-Tyr
10-10-13, 12:39 AM
Does it maintain the correct speed? I have known third party belts to make the deck run fast!

Curious as to how that could happen. Surely turntable speed is a function only of motor speed and the ratio of the diameters of the motor and platter pulleys. Belt tension, or any other property of the belt (apart, possibly from a lack of friction), shouldn't affect any of these, should it?

I'm just wondering if this is a generally accepted phenomenon, and if so, what the explanation is because, on the face of it, it's no more likely than mains cables making a difference, and we know what short shrift they get, on here.

YNWOAN
10-10-13, 01:47 AM
I'm afraid that is an oversimplification and belt tension does definitely alter speed - easily checked with an accurate strobe.

Gerald
10-10-13, 03:39 AM
I'm afraid that is an oversimplification and belt tension does definitely alter speed - easily checked with an accurate strobe.

I can empirically confirm this , after moding my PT Anni , i could get it to go a 33.3 , but I couldn't get the speed to stop fluctuating , eventually somewhat embarrassingly I traced the problem to belt tension because I used a new pulley .

25 from o/l , bloody rip off but only one I can find to fit the maxon motor.

linnfomaniac83
10-10-13, 03:49 AM
Curious as to how that could happen. Surely turntable speed is a function only of motor speed and the ratio of the diameters of the motor and platter pulleys. Belt tension, or any other property of the belt (apart, possibly from a lack of friction), shouldn't affect any of these, should it?

I'm just wondering if this is a generally accepted phenomenon, and if so, what the explanation is because, on the face of it, it's no more likely than mains cables making a difference, and we know what short shrift they get, on here.

It's the belt tension that causes it, if the belt it too tight or to grippy then the deck runs too fast.

linnfomaniac83
10-10-13, 03:50 AM
No issues at all.. am happy with it. Don't think I'll go back to the black Rega belt

Cool, I'll have to investigate that then.

John Channing
10-10-13, 04:45 AM
I'm afraid that is an oversimplification and belt tension does definitely alter speed - easily checked with an accurate strobe.

What actually matters is the thickness and elasticity of the belt. Effectively the turntable is not being driven from the surface of the pulley and inner platter, but from a point inside the thickness of the belt. This paper (http://basisaudio.com/docs/acs_sbt_specs.pdf) by Basis Audio explains it well. I have to say it was a surprise to me initially, but it does make sense and also explains why it is worth going to the effort of precisely grinding drive belts so that have uniform thickness.

YNWOAN
10-10-13, 05:00 AM
Yes, I agree, but the elasticity is altered by making it tighter - so much the same thing.

thebiglebowski
10-10-13, 05:39 AM
Max will be along in a minute to say that "rubber is rubber is rubber"

IanG-UK
12-10-13, 06:18 AM
Max will be along in a minute to say that "rubber is rubber is rubber"

... or that the belt ranking is white, red, yellow, orange, green, blue, brown and black ...

Sue Pertwee-Tyr
12-10-13, 07:07 AM
Max will be along in a minute to say that "rubber is rubber is rubber"

Surely that should be 'belts is belts' innit?

Actually, thanks to all who replied to my post. I realise now that my point about the important things being motor speed and pulley ratios only works in the ideal situation of an inelastic belt, so belt tension and elasticity could change the effective length of the belt and thereby bugger up the effective ratios of the pulleys.

linnfomaniac83
12-10-13, 08:40 AM
Surely that should be 'belts is belts' innit?

Actually, thanks to all who replied to my post. I realise now that my point about the important things being motor speed and pulley ratios only works in the ideal situation of an inelastic belt, so belt tension and elasticity could change the effective length of the belt and thereby bugger up the effective ratios of the pulleys.

Yep, as I found out when I purchased a third party white belt and the deck ran way too fast!

johnhunt
12-10-13, 11:21 AM
Belt up

Robert M
12-10-13, 01:54 PM
When can I buy one????