Is anyone using any?
I still havn't had a chance to demo them...

Tobi

Heard 'em and really liked 'em! They didn't disappoint.

Haven't bought any, though.

I am using a pair on the end of a Rega P9, 282, hi, 250.2.

IMHO they sound very good. Very musical. I wouldn't describe them as full range however, the bottom is a little light, as you'd expect from such a small speaker.

Most of the time I don't want for anything else but my SBL's are the better speaker by miles. Just a pity they are ten thousand away!

Best used in a smaller room and experiment with positioning, obviously makes a big difference. As does using the Naim supplied stands placed into screws in the floor. Actually, that makes a huge difference!

Cheers
Jay

Considering that the N-sats are promoted by NAIM as a modern alternative to Linn Kans, they don't seem to be very popular here.

Nick

Considering that the N-sats are promoted by NAIM as a modern alternative to Linn Kans, they don't seem to be very popular here.

Nick

Don't know where you that idea Nick. I've never seen Naim mention that idea and I've always seen nsats with sub, etc.....in promotional literature.

Some folks "here" might say that but, as you say, most don't have much interest in them. I'm using them for stereo but they aren't my long term ideal. Just a bit of a stop gap.

Cheers
Jay

Jay,
Nice deck! How does it come along with the N-Sats on Naim? I found my P25 to be too sharp on the treble with Kans. I had to smooth it out by chosing a less sharp cartridge (Ellipse tip instead of fine-line Ortofon). Which cartridge are you running?
I think, although Naim maybe isn't promoting the N-Sats as such, they are sort of a reincarnation of the Kan. They definately are out for the money of the Kan users...any denials to that are lies.

Tobi.

Considering that the N-sats are promoted by NAIM as a modern alternative to Linn Kans, they don't seem to be very popular here.


It seems to me that publicly admitting liking Naim gear is not fashionable here.

An N-Sats might be an alternative to the Kans, but the emphasis is in modern as they don't sound alike.

It seems to me that publicly admitting liking Naim gear is not fashionable here.

LOL...quite right, Kuma. What is fashionable here is thinking a collection of parts patched together by hobbyists working under a dim basement hook-lamp MUST be better than that produced by an experienced team of engineers with better resources, a better understanding of audio reproduction, and the ability to repeat the design with manufacturing capabilities. They've confused themselves with a notion that an individual wielding a soldering iron guarantees breakthrough designs as the norm (and not the exception.) Still, PFM is a refreshing break from "how much better is a hicap than a flatcap?"

regards,

dave

I come for the audio, I stay for the laughs.

Everyone's so bloody clever.

If you want a bad forum, try the canuckaudiomart forum, where early flame wars went nuclear.
The only survivors are 3 guys who think all cables sound the same (and will take over all threads), 2 guys who are normal and the 4 newbies.

Still doesn't beat Manaland with ten guys sharing birthday greetings, farm-life/wine-smelling stories, and penis-stack comparisons;-)

Still, PFM is a refreshing break from "how much better is a hicap than a flatcap?"
I'm relatively new here so, I don't get the 'click' that is happening at the PFM.
I am amased at the interest in some round earthy gear that are even scary for me!:o

If you want a bad forum, try the canuckaudiomart forum, where early flame wars went nuclear.
By far, the worst site is Romy the Cat's 'good sound club' where he answers his own posts in broken Russian English.

By far, the worst site is Romy the Cat's 'good sound club'

Holy shit that place crawls!
Listing "unique human visitors" on his front page shows how lonely he is, I guess.

I am amased at the interest in some round earthy gear that are even scary for me!

Well I basically have no friends here:

Cyrus CD8x
Cyrus 8vs
Cyrus PSX-R (2 pcs)
Eichmann cables
Castle Richmond 3i

Holy shit that place crawls!
I'm surprised you know the site.
He actually has many good points and knowledgeable. But couldn't gain any friends by calling everyone morons.
He used to come into the AA chat room where I moderate.
Eventually we've got too much complains from other forum members in that we had to ban him. He was persistant trying to get in the room using different IP addresses.
What a putz.
Well I basically have no friends here:
You still have a long way to the Uber Goober land. :p

Don't know where you that idea Nick. I've never seen Naim mention that idea and I've always seen nsats with sub, etc.....in promotional literature.

Jay

The suggestion was made by the NAIM forum moderator, so a search there should dig up the relevant postings.

Nick

The suggestion was made by the NAIM forum moderator, so a search there should dig up the relevant postings.

Nick

Easy to miss then! Thanks Nick.

Nice deck! How does it come along with the N-Sats on Naim?

Fantastically. They are extremely good at playing tunes, fast, agile, communicative. In smaller rooms it would be hard to want for much more!

I found my P25 to be too sharp on the treble with Kans. I had to smooth it out by chosing a less sharp cartridge (Ellipse tip instead of fine-line Ortofon). Which cartridge are you running?

That surprises me, I've had a P25/Elys and it never appeared to be "forward" or sharp. That was probably with a 102/hi/180/credos at the time.

I'm running an Exact on the P9. Great value for money.

Jay

For the same money, I prefer the PMC DB1+.

I'm surprised you know the site.
He actually has many good points and knowledgeable. But couldn't gain any friends by calling everyone morons.
He used to come into the AA chat room where I moderate.
Eventually we've got too much complains from other forum members in that we had to ban him. He was persistant trying to get in the room using different IP addresses.
What a putz.
Fascinating, isn’t it?

However, I would propose not fascination but honesty. And the honesty of the facts that there was no my desire be in there. I had 2-3 persons in there that I value and with whom I interacted if I wish. I do consider the rest of the Morons out there as a wasted blast, so what? However any single person with whom I did spoke at that forums informed me that you are an authoritarian bitch who desperate use your modeling power to boost own agenda, whatever potzisstick agenda it would be. I do not think I was banned in there but rather I banned myself as I do not feel that the place where you-like hung around might be a valuable place to be.

Now, you can shut up and do not touch your mouth whatever above your ability to comprehend.
Romy the caT

...However any single person with whom I did spoke at that forums informed me that you are an authoritarian bitch...

Now, you can shut up and do not touch your mouth whatever above your ability to comprehend.
Quite the charmer.

LOL...quite right, Kuma. What is fashionable here is thinking a collection of parts patched together by hobbyists working under a dim basement hook-lamp MUST be better than that produced by an experienced team of engineers with better resources, a better understanding of audio reproduction, and the ability to repeat the design with manufacturing capabilities. They've confused themselves with a notion that an individual wielding a soldering iron guarantees breakthrough designs as the norm (and not the exception.) Still, PFM is a refreshing break from "how much better is a hicap than a flatcap?"

regards,

dave

Hmm

You've just described the seeming majority of the so called UK 'specialist' cottage industry manufacturers, including Naim IMHO.

As to "an experienced team of engineers with better resources, a better understanding of audio reproduction, and the ability to repeat the design with manufacturing capabilities." I wonder which companies they could be? :p

Agreed re the forum...:D

Best

John.. :cool:

LOL... Julian eventually did buy a building and engineers you know, i'd say he was legit then;-)

regards,

dave

Romy,

Rather still sour, are you? ;)

BTW, we are democratic at the AA. No one op can ban anyone without consulting with other ops.

Some of the folks did appreciate your knowledge of music. However, you've violated the rule of one moniker. We asked you to stick to our rules many times. Instead, we got the 'fuck you, moron' which is not the right answer.

You left us no choice but to ban you.

Let it go Romy.

I've suddenly developed the ability to tell the future.

...I see Romy The Cat being banned before Friday....

Oh, it's gone now.

Well I basically have no friends here:

Cyrus CD8x
Cyrus 8vs
Cyrus PSX-R (2 pcs)
Eichmann cables
Castle Richmond 3i

You are not alone

I use a Cyrus dad3/PSX-R as a transport into a Benchmark DAC1.

Can I play with the big boys now?

Andy

Romy,

Rather still sour, are you? ;)

BTW, we are democratic at the AA. No one op can ban anyone without consulting with other ops.

Some of the folks did appreciate your knowledge of music. However, you've violated the rule of one moniker. We asked you to stick to our rules many times. Instead, we got the 'fuck you, moron' which is not the right answer.

You left us no choice but to ban you.

Let it go Romy.

Democratic at the AA? And an perhaps the ultimatum form AA that they will be deleting my post in musical forum if I refuse to sponsor with my posts the selected manufactures is your definition of democracy? Or perhaps conformation to me from some manufactures the they managed to delete the AA archives removing any negative comments about their products is your definition of democracy. The AA democracy is absolutely identical to nowadays US democracy nowadays when a handful of the dirtiest retards in a nation conquested the avenues of the public influence, tasks management and monetary administration.

Do not spread the cheap publicity lie about me. I did not make posts at AA without signing who I was and never use other monikers. I do not want even to open my mouth and inform public about the crap that the freaks who run AA do internally. There are two reasons why I am not wiling to continue it. First, it is my firms believe than any community where dirt like YOU are welcomed consist with the same primitive being as you are and therefore I have no interest in. Second, the time when I was arguing about anything with the freaks that run AA is gone many years ago and it is my sincere feeling that all of them should be lined up and gun dowun directly into their sick heads.

So, once again. Entertain the Morons around yourself with your own subject and do not “sell” me, or at least the lies about me. If you do you then you beg me to shut you up.

Romy the Cat

I tried the n-sats,linn katans and pmc db1+s recently with a 202/200/cdx2 setup recently.

I found the n-sats sounded nice- except there is NO low end. Forget about any kind of bass. They have to be paired with the n-sub, which took them outta my budget. Shame as they sounded very musical and detailed.

PMC db1+- I thought thtese were clear and well defined, but they sounded very clinical to me. Not really the sort of character i like in a speaker. Also I didn't hear the supposed amazing bass these transmission line speakers are supposed to produce.

Katans-Instant joy! I just forgot straight away that I was audtioning speakers and sat back and enjoyed the music. So much so I listened to them again after hearing the others. Hard to describe the sound- its warm and very musical. They were very bassy when cranked up though.

Consequently I am in the process of getting some now!

Democratic at the AA? And an perhaps the ultimatum form AA that they will be deleting my post in musical forum if I refuse to sponsor with my posts the selected manufactures is your definition of democracy? Or perhaps conformation to me from some manufactures the they managed to delete the AA archives removing any negative comments about their products is your definition of democracy. The AA democracy is absolutely identical to nowadays US democracy nowadays when a handful of the dirtiest retards in a nation conquested the avenues of the public influence, tasks management and monetary administration.

Do not spread the cheap publicity lie about me. I did not make posts at AA without signing who I was and never use other monikers. I do not want even to open my mouth and inform public about the crap that the freaks who run AA do internally. There are two reasons why I am not wiling to continue it. First, it is my firms believe than any community where dirt like YOU are welcomed consist with the same primitive being as you are and therefore I have no interest in. Second, the time when I was arguing about anything with the freaks that run AA is gone many years ago and it is my sincere feeling that all of them should be lined up and gun dowun directly into their sick heads.

So, once again. Entertain the Morons around yourself with your own subject and do not “sell” me, or at least the lies about me. If you do you then you beg me to shut you up.

Romy the Cat


Welcome to the forum, Romy. Personally, I'd be very happy to read more of your output. My chances of doing so would be greatly improved if you bothered to read the AUP here.

'Morons'? Romy the caT is Mick Parry and I claim my £5.

Nah, I can see the cold logic behind Mick Parry's posts.

This Romy character is a little bit country, a little bit rock n' roll.

romy the cat

an anagram of 'methy actor'

clearly an alcoholic thespian

I wonder if he realises none of us give a fuck?

I really did think for a while Kuma was a mod on some form of Alcoholics Anonymous, and had broken some sort of rule, but then I twigged and realised this thread had degenerated into talking about other forums, then I realised I just typed this and was part of the problem not the answer.

Anyway I like Romy the Cat, I think we should keep him.

Anyway I like Romy the Cat, I think we should keep him.
After spaying/neutering (as appropriate), of course, lest we end up with kittens in the closet.

Chaps

Romy will be universally loved here because he has criticised the American government.

TL will appoint him as a moderator.

Regards

Mick

PS What is AA

AA is Audio Asylum, Mick.

Kuma is a moderator there. Until Romy's 'entrance' here I could never believe poor Kuma could attract that much opprobrium!

What an entrance though...!

Audio Asylum

Heil Hitler.

What's wrong with AA? I've never posted there but I read it a lot - a good source of info IMHO.

Tony.

The 'Heil' bit was refering to our friend of the right wing, agree AA is OK.

Heil Hitler.

Is this a new folded ribbon tweeter?

I don't understand the forum layout in AA so never read it.

AA is one of the last forums with threaded threads.

Remember when the Naim forum converted to infopop and there was a small riot?

I used to be active there in my Rega/Naim days, but eventually realised, wtf is the point? Everyone there is mainly interested in soundstage and blackness and the discussions usually centre aound whatever is in the latest Stereophile.

I hate the forum software on AA. It is incredibly frustrating to use, so much so that I avoid visiting the forum.

I really dont understand why they havent got better software such as Vbulletin. Its not as if it is expensive.

Honestly though I don't know how to use it, can some one explain?

At the moment I think I have to click a reply read it, click the back button then click on the next reply?

That looks to be about the size of it, gary. You click on a 'reply' link and the text of the post always appears at the top of the screen, rather following a previous post sequentially as on this forum, for example. I agree it does make it pretty frustrating to follow at the best of times. I tried browsing AA some months ago and gave up not long after. Have never been back since.