Hello,

I’m after some advice. Until recently I had an all Naim system of a CDX2, 202 and 200. Consequently I had to use NAC A5 or else I’d burn in the fires of hell or at the very least the amps would become all unstable or something.

Having now changed to a Meridian system, I’d like to change to some other speaker cable, not least because that A5 is the most spiteful design ever thought up.

I note that Mogami is well recommended but which one and where do I get hold of it? Is there anything else I should be thinking of? Chord Odyssey perhaps? I’ve never been in a position to mess around with “wanky wire” before and I’m looking forward to having a play.

Oh the power amp is a Meridian G57 and the speakers are Neat Elite SEs.

Regards,

Rob.

For a complete change physically but a great sounding cable and only 1/4" diameter try Black link, maybe not expensive enough to be called wanky though?

I've got a reel of 2972 on order.

Drop me a line if you want some.

I'm currently burning in the fires of hell by not using NACA5 with Naim amps. I used chord odyssey between Naim and B&W N803 with great results, BUT got terrible results when I changed speaks to Neat MF5 - they don't like silver too much.

Am currently amazed by the performance of Van Damme 2.5mm Studio pro at £2 odd per meter. At that sort of money its not too much of a crisis if it doesn't work out is it ?

What does your dealer recomend ?

In my system, with MF9s at the time, the Mogami was rather better than the Van Damme; not that Van Damme's bad - it was better than the Isolda, or preferable at least.

i currently use odyssey 2 biwired (not odyssey 4) it beat out van damme and some cheap as chips qed stuff i have knocking around. i think all this does is prove that there are as many right way's of doing things as there are systems and people listening.
probably the best idea is to prepare a huge feast and cool some beer / wine and then invite some poeple to bring their various bits of wanky wire round to see which one you like best.

Audioquest Type 4 are not expensive and is quite good!

I've got a reel of 2972 on order.

Drop me a line if you want some.

How much have you got spare ??

Nothing at all "wanky" about Mogami - good quality, simple design, and VFM. I find Audioquest's BF bananas are a useful termination for 2972.

Interesting system move, Rob; care to share your thoughts on the transition from brand N to brand M?

How did the use of 2972 ever get started? I've talked with the USA national Mogami distributer, and he tell sme that 2972 has never been imported into the USA. Instead he suggested a few other Mogami choices, that included 2921 (similar to 2972 I think, but larger guage). He did say, however, tha both 2972 and 2921, as four conductor cable in star wiring configuration had high capacitance, and specifically warned against using it with Naim amps.

Other choices he suggested were 3103 (two conductor) and a coax cable called 3082.

Bruce

I was looking for cheap cable that worked and tried Van Damme, various other OFCs, Hatachi, DNM. I then had the bright idea that since many DV owners were using Mogami mic cable as ICs it would be worth trying a speaker cable and alighted on 2972 as a good one to try. I spoke to Mosses and Mitchell the UK importers who offered me 3 miles of it at a favourable rate; I then spoke to DV's UK distributor who got some in.

Some Shahinian owners still prefer Kimber but most others have moved to Mogami; the cable was also sent to Naim to see if it blew their amps up - there is no official word but I presume it doesn't; it may be worth ringing and asking. Some Dynavector dealers then got Mogami in for their customers.

It is true that there are many Mogami cables useable for hi-fi speaker wire or ICs - some may be better than the 2 commonly used. Nonetheless, price is no barometer of a cable's performance, in my experience.

I prefer the 1.5mm^2 Van Damme Concert Pro (the name is designed to make me like it), which I think is 79p per mono metre, to Mogami 2972. The Moggy sounds fatter, not technically inferior in anyway, but my brain has been conditioned into deeming the Van Damme simply correct, regardless of its relative technical performance. Note that I use bare wire without plugs or spades.

A good rule of thumb might be to use Moggy if you want "more," and VD if what you want is "less." The lattter is thin, blue and floppy, whilst the former is a big black monster.

Thanks for the replies.

So no-one mentions Chord. I’ve spoken to my local dealer and he’s prepared to loan me some Odyssey but I’ll also investigate the van Damme as it seems cheap enough to be able to discard if I don’t like it. I’ll also contact Patrick re the Mogami because if nothing else I like the name. Clearly there are lots of happy Mogami users here so that’s a good thing.

RustyB – regarding the switch from N to M, I’ll post on a different thread once I’m a bit more familier with the M gear – its only 10 days old at the moment.

Regards,

Rob.

I've probably missed this but has anyone tried Mogami with Naim say a 140 or 250. Did anything blow up, melt down or otherwise commit audio suicide?

I have used Mogami cable for some time now. Note all my cables are terminated as sinle-wire with bananas in both ends. My first experience was with 3104, which blew away NACA5 in any system I tried it. Later I invested in both 3103 and 3082. Have the following lenghts:

3104 2x4m
3103 2x2.6m
3082 2x2.6m

My favorite at the moment is the 3103 (2 x 4mm2), which has great soft and see through midrange along with a detailed, punchy but still warm bass.

The 3082 (coax 2 x 2mm2) is a bit less extended in the bass, thus not giving the same slam and size, although I have to try it again sometime soon, as it has been a while, since I had it installed.

The 3104 (4 x 4mm2 or 2 x 8mm2) is too much (in my system), it is too bright, too tight, too messy in the midrange compared to the other two.

I'll flat out recommend you buy 3103. It is very cheap at www.redco.com

Happy hunting.

I use Mogami 2972 cable and it is rather good from my Densen B300XS to my Rega Naos speakers and beyond...

If you feel DIY is an option .........

you can make some cables that you just could not buy .......my current set are silver foil ribbons in cotton sleeves .......sound is simply believable. Cost works out to be about £30/m Simmilar cables can cost £3-400/m commercially and you get the chance to choose your own jacket colour!