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jimb0
07-04-08, 12:46 PM
I'm very pleased with the sound emanating from my Lenco GL75 as detailed in the other thread. It is set up in my study at the moment stealing the one and only input in my little Trends t-amp and forcing me to borrow the phono stage from the other system.

I'm really enjoying having vinyl in this room and want to keep the deck here so need to rethink the amplification ideally keeping it to a single box. I was initially thinking of a Rega Brio or similar but something in keeping with the 70s retro-ness of the deck would be excellent. I like the aesthetics of the vintage Yamaha and Marantz gear in particular, but will those big old receivers cut the mustard?

I'm not demandingly audiophile so as long as the result is similar to the test setup of a Gram Amp 2->Trends TA10 t-amp I will be happy. The other constraints are that it should be 200 or less and play nicely with my Aurousal A1 speakers.

J

Uncle Ants
07-04-08, 12:57 PM
I'm really enjoying having vinyl in this room and want to keep the deck here so need to rethink the amplification ideally keeping it to a single box. I was initially thinking of a Rega Brio or similar but something in keeping with the 70s retro-ness of the deck would be excellent. I like the aesthetics of the vintage Yamaha and Marantz gear in particular, but will those big old receivers cut the mustard?


Not a receiver but an integrated. I had (well still have it but its stored away) an old Sansui AU6500 (about 1974 I'd guess) that I used in the office system. It sounds very good actually and built like a tank. One of these:

http://www.sansui.us/images/AU9500_Series/AU6500_7.jpg

A friend of mine uses a big old US Marantz receiver in his main system and its no slouch.

Be prepared for anything you get to have the caps looked at though.

Tony L
07-04-08, 01:04 PM
I've got a 1970s Marantz 2252 receiver and it sounds great, big 'n' meaty. I must bring it out of retirement at some stage and try it between the L70 and Klipsch Heresys. IIRC it has two phono stages!

Tony.

stevec67
08-04-08, 08:23 AM
How about a Quad 33/303 with the 303 hidden behind a speaker?:)

Or a Sugden thingy forget the model no, but it sounds nice and is 60s pretty.

Paul Dimaline
08-04-08, 08:58 AM
.....but will those big old receivers cut the mustard?

Yes, absolutely. Tony has summed up perfectly, big and meaty, and they usually have pretty good phono stages too. Don't try and compare them to more modern stuff, especially in the transparency stakes, but they should also have plenty of insight and detail to them....voices tend to come over very atmospheric.

One caveat, folk would not even contemplate using a 30 year old Naim without having it recapped yet people yank these 70's amps out of retirement expecting them to perform as new. There are an awful lot of electrolytic caps in the signal path (pre amp section as well) and they will all have seen better days.


Paul.

Tony L
08-04-08, 09:52 AM
One caveat, folk would not even contemplate using a 30 year old Naim without having it recapped yet people yank these 70's amps out of retirement expecting them to perform as new. There are an awful lot of electrolytic caps in the signal path (pre amp section as well) and they will all have seen better days.

Agree completely and would add that these things, beautiful though they be, are bewilderingly complex inside. My Marantz 2252...

http://freespace.virgin.net/tony.lonorgan/pics/marantz.jpg

....is kind of a 'reverse Tardis' in concept in that they appear to have squeezed a medium sized electronics supply store into an, albeit fairly big, audio component. It is just jam packed with stuff to an absurd extent and would be a nightmare to seriously work on. I'd love to get it restored at some point but I suspect the work involved would be very expensive indeed as just getting to the caps is in itself significant, then there is the issue that there are about 9000 of them.

A sensible choice would be for something simple yet period correct to your GL 75, something like a Sugden A21 or A48, the Quads mentioned earlier or even an A&R A60. These are all sustainable / easily serviceable. My first system was a GL75, Quad 33 / 303 / FM3 and JR 149s so it's certainly period correct! I'd rather like to find an original A21 for my L70 / TV / Klipsch Heresy system, but that is for another day.

Tony.

kasperhauser
08-04-08, 10:04 AM
'reverse Tardis' in concept
Well put. I opened my 70s Accuphase integrated once - ONCE. I couldn't get the screws back in fast enough.

That big Sansui up-thread is pure class.

flatpopely
08-04-08, 02:58 PM
Rotel RX602.

It got me listening to music in the 70's!

They come up on eBay as do its brother 402 and 202. If you can get an 802 hurray!

Slightly soft sound but so enjoyable to listen to. A bit like a NAD3020.

sds
08-04-08, 03:14 PM
This thread jogs my memory in that around ten years ago one of the power amps I used at the time (Lynx Stratos monoblocs) died and had to go off for repair.

Rather than be without music, I dug out (exhumed) an old Leak transistor integrated amp to stand in.

I had expected the temporary system to sound OK, but it was amazing. The source was an LP12/Ittok/Asaka/Lingo and the speakers were a big pair made by the German company, Heco(I forget the model number).

What made it even better was the fact that I had bought the amp and a Leak tuner S/H for 8 and they were in the spare room system.

The repaired power amp took its place when the repair was done. The sound and power of the monoblocs was wonderful - but the little amp was more than just a good substitute.

The monoblocs are still in use for my son's system powering the Heco speakers too. Not fashionable names but very, very involving music.

Cereal Killer
08-04-08, 03:20 PM
i had and alburry pp1 a long time ago and a lenco 75 decades ago. the amp had a great phono stage and would visualy work too. this amp 'can' be found on ebay for peanuts.

jimpey
09-04-08, 02:28 AM
Real (ie pre Alpine) Luxman, either an integrated or receiver will probably have a reasonable phono stage - and look superb!

jimb0
09-04-08, 05:36 AM
Some interesting suggestions. An earlier A21 might be just the thing - presumably they run pretty hot being pure class A? Anyone comment on their phono stage?

I like the styling of Quads as well and having heard Ian's (Sideshowbob) 34/405 set up recently know they sound just fine with his Jordan speakers.

foxwelljsly
09-04-08, 06:17 AM
A Leak D (http://www.audiogold.co.uk/archive/Amplifiers_Leak_Delta30_79.html)elta? Was originally sold by leak to partner their Delta turntable which was a GL75. Sounded pretty good to me as my first amp.

sideshowbob
09-04-08, 06:20 AM
I like the styling of Quads as well and having heard Ian's (Sideshowbob) 34/405 set up recently know they sound just fine with his Jordan speakers.

34/306, but you were close :-)

My mint, late, grey pair were around 350. Earlier versions have DIN inputs rather than phonos and don't look nearly as nice, unless you like brown.

I'm very attached to mine.

-- Ian

joel
09-04-08, 06:54 AM
I'm very attached to mine.Unbalanced? Just a guess :-)

Labarum
09-04-08, 08:10 AM
Sugden A48 - you see them on ebay from time to time. I am presently listening to mine which I bought in 1978. I now have it attached to the office PC driving a pair of Goodmans maxims.

The A48 still beats a modern budget amp.

DSJR
09-04-08, 10:12 AM
What a load of grotty stuff you lot are recommending. Most of it by now will only be fit for the skip and not all of it was any good in its day anyway, let alone 35+ years later!

Jappy stuff in the UK was generally quite good before 1975 - some VERY good indeed! After the huge VAT hike (and sharp downturn in business which never recovered - ever!) the Japanese products retained their snazzy knob infested looks but much of it was severely downgraded inside. For example, the Yamaha #10 and #20 series was terrible sounding compared to the #00 series (the CR800 receiver remains a favourite, not the 810/820 for example). JVC made a superb little amp called a JAS 310, which was musical and involving at the time. The JAS11G that replaced it (we sold dozens of these) was pants by comparison. Technics, Trio/Kenwood/Marantz/Pioneer and Rotel all went much the same way, cheapeneing the internals as they went - even Luxman on some models..... Some Sansuis were good, AU101/313 and some of their top models (919?). Top Japanese tuners remain very good to "unequalled since" if you know which ones to buy.

The Leak Delta amps were horrid, nasty, less well made (cramped inside) and inferior copies of the old Stereo 30/30+ and 70, all of which I've listened to or owned at some time or another. I've owned a Stereo 70 and when nearly ten years old (in 1982) it wasn't far off a NAD 3020, which was better overall - I shudder to think what it would be like 26 years later with knackered caps. The Delta 70 at four years old was a distorting mess IMO.

The Sugden A48 was a fruity, dull as ditchwater amp, along with the Rogers Panthera. Well made certainly, but zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

Any Quad 33/303 for sale now will need quite a bit of work doing on it, so bear that in mind when buying/bidding. I like a good set of these - what they can't do they don't try to do and the midrange is lovely. The 44/405-2 is still good (significantly better in the "real" world than the limp wristed 34/306 - ugghh!) and readily upgradable further -

Please remember that components available in the UK for audio products in the early 70's were pretty bad on the whole - 10% resistors, yucky caps and miles of internal wiring are commonplace. Long lived models like the Quad and Armstrong 600 series did get better as time went on as better components became available.

A restored GL75 is still competitive if the arm's behaving itself and has a cartridge it likes in it. Use something vintage but a bit newer like a Nait 1 or 2, Onix or Cyrus 2/PSX or even an Audiolab 8000A or 8000C/P (bet there'll be massive cap upgrades for these before too long).

To summarise, many "commercial" 1970's amp designs were feedback laden (to get the best spec) hard clipping disasters that can't reproduce ambience, reverb or subtle timbral textures in the music and should be left in the time frame they came from.

If you really want some fun, try to locate a bolt up Naim set, re-cap it (but don't mod it) and listen to how good it probably still sounds, even compared with their current stuff... Then you just might get an idea how this firm helped to revolutionise the audio industry...

lordsummit
09-04-08, 11:05 AM
In your humble opinion of course......

DSJR
09-04-08, 11:27 AM
In your humble opinion of course......

But of course :D

I can't help being around when so much of this gear was new and also being in the Linn/Naim clique almost at the beginning (I bought my first LP12 in 1976).

Now, if you're going to talk about Quad and Radford valve amps.......? ;)

337alant
09-04-08, 12:01 PM
I bought a Rogers A100 arround 1975 and I still use it today hooked up to my computer it still sounds sweet.
When I bought it I remember that the Lentek ??? was better but I couldnt afford it at the time, if you can get one of those they look good as well.

Tony L
09-04-08, 12:26 PM
I have to admit I always thought the A48 was pretty decent too. I like Sugden kit in general - good honest unpretentious stuff IMO. Groundbreaking in the case of the original A21 and A51.

Tony.

joel
09-04-08, 03:39 PM
After the huge VAT hike (and sharp downturn in business which never recovered - ever!)
VAT hikes in the UK have nothing to do with output from Japanese factories. Sorry, but the UK is simply not that important a market.
Had you said the Plaza accord & the two oil shocks you might have been on to something. Actually not, as neither had an adverse effect on product quality.

Paul Dimaline
09-04-08, 04:07 PM
......and also being in the Linn/Naim clique almost at the beginning.....;)

So the brainwashing's not worn off yet then ;)

hifi_dave
11-04-08, 04:17 AM
So the brainwashing's not worn off yet then ;)

DSJR stepped into the light many, many years ago with the acquisition of a Notts Mentor/arm/Decca and Croft amp. :cool:

Buddie
11-04-08, 04:28 AM
Hi jimbO i use a sugden a21 circ 1969 ......... the phono stage is pretty good considering , i use it for 78 playback only and run a phono stage into the aux as i have 4 TTs running at the moment well 3and a half :rolleyes:

DSJR
11-04-08, 08:21 AM
VAT hikes in the UK have nothing to do with output from Japanese factories. Sorry, but the UK is simply not that important a market.
Had you said the Plaza accord & the two oil shocks you might have been on to something. Actually not, as neither had an adverse effect on product quality.


The UK market was quite big back then and it seemed amazing that all of a sudden the far eastern amps took a nosedive in quality after 1975.

It could be that far eastern makers like Sony had HUGE ranges and that the UK importers just took cheaper models as "replacements" for the rather excellent earlier models. The Sony TA-5650 and 8650 were superb V-FET amps with a lovely sense of depth and space and a little "loose" in bass and treble regions - something most far eastern amps couldn't reproduce at all. The UK replacements weren't anywhere near as good, although it seems the V-FET idea continued with improvements in the US for some years...

Looking at other posts, I'd confirm the Rogers A100 was a FAR better amp than the Panthera A75 IMO and the T100 tuner is/was a forgotten gem of a tuner.

We took on Sugden at the end of the A21 and C51/p??? pre and power era, all of which had a fresher sound than the A48, which is definately warm toned.

All IMO of course :D

Just 'cos I like the Nait (almost as much as a Rogers Cadet III valve amp) doesn't mean I'm still a Naim-head (how dare you suggest such a thing! :D ;))

DSJR
11-04-08, 08:24 AM
DSJR stepped into the light many, many years ago with the acquisition of a Notts Mentor/arm/Decca and Croft amp. :cool:

Don't forget those CELEF professional monitor thingies I replaced with the ATC's............ Wish I still had the Mentor, the chap who bought it from me had a bargain..............

Buddie
11-04-08, 08:26 AM
the little sugden 6 watt A class baby i have has been recapped by sugden and it as close too valves as your gonna get , sound is clear crisp just lovely .................. but i am a old fart:rolleyes: ...........wouldnt swap it for anything ................ truth :p

joel
11-04-08, 03:52 PM
The UK market was quite big back then and it seemed amazing that all of a sudden the far eastern amps took a nosedive in quality after 1975. For Japanese manufacturers, it was the US and home markets that counted.
The Brits like to be told how very important and wonderful they are, and so are told. If it makes you feel good.
What you say about declining quality simply does not connect with what I've heard and seen.

Tony L
11-04-08, 04:09 PM
What you say about declining quality simply does not connect with what I've heard and seen.

It really seemed to end really fast here, my big Denon TU-850 tuner and Marantz 2252B receiver both date from 78 and are lovely heavy over-engineered things, by the early 80s such things had vanished here completely replaced with ugly plastic kit aimed at the low end of the market. I'm sure much of it was politics, i.e. the Linn / Naim thing got such a strangle hold on the press and dealer networks that a lot of good kit simply never got to these shores.

Tony.

jimb0
12-04-08, 05:35 AM
Woodge (Woody on the Lenco forum?) - how much was it to get the A21 recapped by Sugden?

If I was to pick up a set of Quads, which are much more readily available, (33/303, 34/306 etc) what should I look at getting done to them?

Buddie
12-04-08, 06:32 AM
JimbO yes im woody From LL , im banned from LL but we wont talk about that ............... sugden did a complete service ,recap , for a amazing 120 which i think was great the sugden really sings now ....... i have a few other amps but this is my favourite .......... over the years ive owned lost of vintage ,new amps ....... dr thomas muscial fidelity.crimson ,quantum,accuphase e202, i sold my roksan caspian dual mono pre amp and 2 caspian mono blocks in favour of the sugden yes i know im mad , but its so good i bought a pair of tangent TM3 circa 1977 and ive never looked back, its so musical and just so enjoyable, foot tapping ............. i also have a pair of kilpsch heresys like tony and they just sound great ................ but im stuck ina time warp and wanted a certain sound ,warm and sweet yet full rounded bass ................. i think the quad stuff is great sounding , but they always need lots of work, but are well worth the trouble ......... hope this helps

stevec67
12-04-08, 06:44 AM
A few years back (late 90s) I got a Quad 303 that had just had a Quad service. This was replacement of the big PSU caps, a blown bridge rectifier and a checkover - 80. Not bad. Meridian did similar to a dead 105 for 120.

There are other caps you can replace but the usual/essential is just the PSU caps.

Buddie
12-04-08, 06:52 AM
I forgot to add i also had a leak 30 with the big leak sandwich speakers with a lenco 70 like tonys and it blew me away ......... the leak 30s are good the pots need lots of cleaning , but as long as you have easily driven speakers thing can really sing ........ you can pick em up on ebay for >30

this is what im using at the moment with my sugden

http://i28.tinypic.com/11l1k5k.jpg

Buddie
12-04-08, 07:35 AM
oops also had a marantz 1072 console amp great amp paid less than 100 for it 2 phono inputs has the retro look again you just have to worry about the pots getting noisy , but a good contact cleaner will sort that out :cool:

Uncle Ants
12-04-08, 08:38 AM
http://i28.tinypic.com/11l1k5k.jpg

I just started dribbling.

Buddie
12-04-08, 08:57 AM
thanks ant ........... we have met im sure you remember me picked up all the decks from you for audiorigami .......... its taken me a long time to get that deck right ......... ive had about ten different arms on it , like the SMG the best ..........sounds great with jazz

Buddie
12-04-08, 09:10 AM
ant want do you think of this one ? nearly finnished for 78s and monos

http://i32.tinypic.com/smgb2e.jpg

Uncle Ants
12-04-08, 09:22 AM
I think its just an excuse to be greedy ;)

PS. Yes, I remember :)

Buddie
12-04-08, 11:18 AM
sorry jimbO for hijacking your thread with my silly pictures

Buddie
12-04-08, 12:52 PM
funny?? since posting this thread regards being banned from lenco lovers seems im not ??????????????? strange goings on .......

Tony L
12-04-08, 01:38 PM
How do you find the Heresys on the end of the A21 Paul? I'm tempted to land one at some stage in the future as I suspect it would make for a nice little retro system with the L70 (I'm currently using a 'modern' Marantz PM7200). Is the A21's phono stage decent?

Tony.

DSJR
12-04-08, 01:53 PM
sorry jimbO for hijacking your thread with my silly pictures

Silly pictures? My dear chap, it's positively turntable porn, so it is.

I WANT MORE!!!!! This is even before MY era :rolleyes::p;):D

Is that the infamous Gray arm above? It certainly looks like it.......

Labarum
12-04-08, 02:05 PM
Who has a picture of the SME arm?

Labarum
12-04-08, 02:10 PM
Who has a picture of the SME arm?

Ah, here

http://loron91423.tripod.com/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/sme3012.jpeg

Buddie
13-04-08, 01:34 AM
Hi Tony the a21 sounds great with klipsch , but i suspect it will be better with a low powered valve amp........... i have a kerr/mcgosh valve amp being rebuilt at the moment im hoping that will be good for the klipschs.... i only use the a21 phono stage for 78s so its hard to tell . i run a graham slee reflex phono stage into the sugden .............DSJR thanks heres a picture of my most modern deck
http://i26.tinypic.com/oh8q6c.jpg


the arm you see is a Calrad sv12 made in the 60s in japan its a OEM clone of the Grace and others more info can be had here
http://members.myactv.net/~je205d/mono.htm.
the deck is a pierre clement from the 50s 4 speed idler drive , the platter only measures 11" as it was made early fifties and well most records were 10" ........make sense i suppose

Tony L
13-04-08, 01:37 AM
That's a remarkably tidy TD150, nice 3rd party plinth too. I never thought I'd catch you with a rubber band deck ;-)

Tony.

stevec67
13-04-08, 01:44 AM
Wooge, some rotten bast&rd's nicked your tonearm!

Lovely looking TD150 though, other than that. I like 'em.:)

Buddie
13-04-08, 02:19 AM
Tony ive only been into idlers for the last 4 yrs or so . but i always had a soft spot for the thorens belt drive ive had 3 td160.5 td150 . 2 td125 1 td318 ...... so yes i like the rubber band models :)...

PeeWeeKiwi
14-04-08, 06:13 PM
Well put. I opened my 70s Accuphase integrated once - ONCE. I couldn't get the screws back in fast enough.

That big Sansui up-thread is pure class.

My E203 has been away at the authorised repair venue here for 10 weeks. It is an end-to end recap of anything in the signal path plus the power supply, and one blown Sanken output module.
Was in very bad nick internally as another tech had screwed around with the bias and added some shunt capacitance to stop it going into self oscillation at LF. Something Sanken modules are notorious for, especially up around 10MHz.
All better now.
Design wise , it is a work of art, ans seems to have lots of individually regulated stages.I'll research it more when I get the diagrams back.

mr-mac
15-05-08, 01:27 PM
The UK market was quite big back then and it seemed amazing that all of a sudden the far eastern amps took a nosedive in quality after 1975.

It could be that far eastern makers like Sony had HUGE ranges and that the UK importers just took cheaper models as "replacements" for the rather excellent earlier models. The Sony TA-5650 and 8650 were superb V-FET amps with a lovely sense of depth and space and a little "loose" in bass and treble regions - something most far eastern amps couldn't reproduce at all. The UK replacements weren't anywhere near as good, although it seems the V-FET idea continued with improvements in the US for some years...

Looking at other posts, I'd confirm the Rogers A100 was a FAR better amp than the Panthera A75 IMO and the T100 tuner is/was a forgotten gem of a tuner.

We took on Sugden at the end of the A21 and C51/p??? pre and power era, all of which had a fresher sound than the A48, which is definately warm toned.

All IMO of course :D

Just 'cos I like the Nait (almost as much as a Rogers Cadet III valve amp) doesn't mean I'm still a Naim-head (how dare you suggest such a thing! :D ;))


The Panthera I belive was a slightly updated ravensbrook.

The T75 mkII and A100 were better amps...

I currently own an A100, T100, T75II and MCP100 and can certainly say the A100 is a nice sounding amp. And yes the T100 is stunning (the T75II is good as well with a good antenna).

However, you will likely not find a T100 I think there were very few made and it took me 4 years to find one. Not seen another since. Think mine was number 200 ish and they didn't make them for long before Rogers stopped electronics to just concentrate on speakers.

Funny thing about my A100's my original A100 (got from my stepdad) was number 3086 It had the nice pale green circuit boards throughout. My 2nd A100 got from a friend in a swap which he got direct from the factory via someone he knew and is number 31xx (or there abouts) had all circuit boards the same except the board running from rear inputs to the front and had the phono stage on it. It was red in colour... None of my other rogers kit had a circuit board like this so I am not sure if it is a parts bin special or actually somthing out of the ordinary. Never got a chance to compare as first one died. I got it repaired and sold it on as the 2nd one was in a tiny bit better condition.

I also think a sugden A21 is really nice (if your speakers are sensitive enough). My last thought for a really sweet sounding amp is an MF A1. Also class A, runs very hot but can sometimes be a little less reliable though they do sound very nice..

Kind Regards

John

ff1d1l
16-05-08, 12:57 PM
If you can find one, try a Tandberg 2075 reciever...have one which has had some caps replaced and its an absolute gem....very musical, huge sound stage and pulls in loads of Irish FM stations (am in North Wales) with a piece of wire as an ariel (I believe some say the Mk2 is even better). AND would look great alongside a lenco - styling is mucho sympatico. Oh and has a good phono stage, or two....

Have Fun
16-06-08, 10:28 AM
I'm very pleased with the sound emanating from my Lenco GL75 as detailed in the other thread. It is set up in my study at the moment stealing the one and only input in my little Trends t-amp and forcing me to borrow the phono stage from the other system.

I'm really enjoying having vinyl in this room and want to keep the deck here so need to rethink the amplification ideally keeping it to a single box. I was initially thinking of a Rega Brio or similar but something in keeping with the 70s retro-ness of the deck would be excellent. I like the aesthetics of the vintage Yamaha and Marantz gear in particular, but will those big old receivers cut the mustard?

I'm not demandingly audiophile so as long as the result is similar to the test setup of a Gram Amp 2->Trends TA10 t-amp I will be happy. The other constraints are that it should be 200 or less and play nicely with my Aurousal A1 speakers.

J

I got turned onto Yamaha when I rediscovered a humble CR400 receiver under the stair when my main amp developed problems.
It has all the qualities I need - mainly one of pure enjoyment - especially for vinyl. I since bought a CA600 amp & it sings with the same voice but has a bit more power - totally unnecessary as it turned out, if you are in a relatively small room with fair efficient speakers. Advantages with CA amps is that they have 2 phono inputs so you can A-B decks. I have my 2 decks plugged in but it is rare that I need that. So if you haven't bought something or want to try keep your eyes peeled for the CR 400 or CA400 - both go for bargain prices as the bigger amps can fetch high prices.
The other amp I can recommend for vinyl is a simple Arcam Alpha 5

jimb0
16-06-08, 11:07 AM
I did actually pick up a Yammy CR-620 and much as I love the styling it really was quite poor sound wise - it actually got an unsolicited thumbs down from Mrs Jimb0 who loves music but couldn't give a fig for hifi nerdery. To be generous it may be down to the receiver's age - maybe a recap would wake it up.

337alant
16-06-08, 12:01 PM
Mr mac you have a PM

Alan

Have Fun
16-06-08, 12:20 PM
I did actually pick up a Yammy CR-620 and much as I love the styling it really was quite poor sound wise - it actually got an unsolicited thumbs down from Mrs Jimb0 who loves music but couldn't give a fig for hifi nerdery. To be generous it may be down to the receiver's age - maybe a recap would wake it up.

I'm surprised on comments of the 620
The main area where I rate the Yammies & notice differences to other amps (and in fairness it does take a bit of adjustment) are in their ability to tackle cymbals - there's a musical "ting" in there I don't find in other amps. When I listen to trad jazz & 60's 70's music on vinyl is where I find they surpass. Other aspects are more natural speech & sibillance.
If it was an 820 or 1020 I'd be inclined to make you an offer.

337alant
21-06-08, 12:37 AM
And yes the T100 is stunning

Thanks John, look forward to hearing it, should look nice with my old A100,
http://i259.photobucket.com/albums/hh290/337alant/audio029.jpg
I note that the knobs on your A100 are different to mine, do you know anywhere that I can buy them?
Now I want a pair of Rogers LS3/5A speakers:)

anubisgrau
15-06-12, 03:11 AM
i've recently bought old (circa '82) marantz esotec PM-5. it's a bit beefier and more elaborated variation of PM-4 which used to be a big hype back in the days. i'm really surprised with the sound 30 years on and without some big interventions (only recapped). very sweet and involving yet powerful enough for good grip & control. totally competitive with anything contemporary in 1.5-2k range.
20w in pure class A or 80w in AB (still sounding good). a decent phono stage too. you just need a bit of luck and some 400-500 pounds to get a good piece.