Looking for something in one of My What hi fi magazines i do not know about anyone else i get cheesed of with Terminology With words that mean nothing scientifically magazine spill in other words. My all time favourite Is This amplifier has a very open sound..... My god.

The one that absolutely floors me Is Budget. Why do they not write crap instead. This is what i feel it means between the lines when they see this is great sound for a budget what ever there reviewing.

Anyway I been looking up entry level in google. I wish i had not now. Because simply i do not understand the meaning of the answer being told me. I went to wiki! someone asked the same question.

Entry level to what? Is what they did not say, Dose entry level mean. above the invisible line between the the the high end gear and the budget gear?

There very keen to call something budget very quickly. But hesitant to call stuff Hi end is this governed by snobbery purley by the price?

The problem with terms such as 'budget' and 'entry level' is that they are often used to pigeon-hole stuff according to price with little regard to performance.
I've heard plenty of 'budget' kit that I'd far rather own than a lot of high end stuff.

The history of audio is littered with examples of great kit that frightened the horses - NAD3030, A&RA60, Nait, Cyrus1, Rega Planar 2, Denon DL110, Rega RB300, Cambridge 640C, AR18, Alison 6, Wharfedale Diamond - these are bouncing around in my head at the moment as examples.

There is a huge amount of snobbery in audio where the price, badge and therefore membership of an exclusive club are buying priority.

Right now, I can about afford "budget", and mostly second-hand at that!

On the one hand, I do believe that there are some absolute bargains to be had. On the other hand, there aren't many cheap Bentleys...

As with anything else, you pays your money, and takes your choice - and with hi-fi, I guess, listen to it. If you like it, do you really give a damn about the label/price tag? I think it is extremely unlikely that my systems (now up to 2 - woohoo!) will EVER be single make systems. Unless anyone would care to give me a complete Linn setup, that is ;)

Right now, I can about afford "budget", and mostly second-hand at that!

On the one hand, I do believe that there are some absolute bargains to be had. On the other hand, there aren't many cheap Bentleys...

As with anything else, you pays your money, and takes your choice - and with hi-fi, I guess, listen to it. If you like it, do you really give a damn about the label/price tag? I think it is extremely unlikely that my systems (now up to 2 - woohoo!) will EVER be single make systems. Unless anyone would care to give me a complete Linn setup, that is ;) All this so called 'one brand 'business'!!??? I think you betray the fact that you are mentally falling into the 'one brand / price / snobbery trap' where everything is (expected to??!!) going to be perfect. Ever checked and seen how many 'foreign branded' parts are also included, in these supposedly wonderful co-ordinated one brand collections ? This does not conern me as long as the performance and reliability of the 'package' represents fair value for money. There have been situations where I have listened to such equipment, which you allude to..........and frankly I wanted to be violent, pick up an axe and cleve the one brander's 'top end priced big speakers' belonging to the system into firewood. On organ, they represented sound 'desperately lumbering aimlessly, through a sea of very stiff diffuse mud'. Rambling all over the place.

ouch :)

The problem with terms such as 'budget' and 'entry level' is that they are often used to pigeon-hole stuff according to price with little regard to performance.
I've heard plenty of 'budget' kit that I'd far rather own than a lot of high end stuff.

The history of audio is littered with examples of great kit that frightened the horses - NAD3030, A&RA60, Nait, Cyrus1, Rega Planar 2, Denon DL110, Rega RB300, Cambridge 640C, AR18, Alison 6, Wharfedale Diamond - these are bouncing around in my head at the moment as examples.

There is a huge amount of snobbery in audio where the price, badge and therefore membership of an exclusive club are buying priority. Agreed! Like a new pair of '$200 clearance price' Sony (ENGLISH BUILT, too!!!) solidly built book shelf ascoutic suspension speakers I picked up in one shop years ago. Still have them up in my upstairs library (in a 11ftx 9ft room) in my fourth hi fi system around the house, coupled to a Marantz Cd player and a 120 watts RMS a side pre and power amp.
O.K, these speakers do not attempt deep deep bass ( the room dimensions would'nt allow it anyway!) but over -all, their performance I appreciate and could live with, even if I was on a desert island! The truest margin of all 'for contented listening. They can still sort out the pluses and minuses of the various recordings I listen to, even when considered against the same CDs' performance when played on the various mega buck equipment I have downstairs. Would I ever trade them ? Never. There are my 'benchmark' for a Hi Fi user's sense of reality and proportion ' . Price is not the denoting factor in what is good or 'inferior'. To those readers here where money expended is limited, compared to some others: remember you just have to be more wise and choose more carefully what you buy. That is the real 'big' secret for long term satisfaction. :):)

Just another thought: All this aspiring to some revered 'Hi Fi holy grail zenith'... reminds me of those TV ads. You know the 'project ads'. Buy the first issue of a magazine and you get something extra included. To collect, add and finally assemble with every other promised piece, (one piece each) contained in the next 124 issues of a magazine. You are told it will be, when assembled a 'collector's piece'. Quick! the fine print at the bottom of the screen says 'total cost for all of it is only $1849'. I am not joking. At the moment, there is such an TV ad currently running for such, at that price : A 'antique' famed British (or Scottish) steam train locomotive! When can we expect to see one going on E-Bait or in Southerbys, perhaps? As they say : 'boys remain boys' chasing after such quickly worthless but desired expensive blocks of toys'! Reminds me a bit about some Hi Fi, too.