Recently got turned on to New Model Army courtesy of a colleague who is an amateur muso and possesses impeccable taste in music. When Emily mentioned the Pixies as a fave, I knew we would get on just fine!

NMA are one of those bands that are so damn good it's to believe they remain so low profile that it's taken this long for me to find them. Nelson's bass lines in particular, sublime. Ain't no justice.

Hitherto my vote for best band...etc had to go to that wonderful bunch of Brisbanites the Go Betweens. Melodic alt rock, quirky rhythms, intelligent, pasionate, evocative lyrics...bah! who needs that!

Sooo...makes one wonder how many other great bands are out there waiting for me to discover them. If you're a fan of any of the above or similar bands and have a secret unknown fave, you know what to do!

After the fab "Sit Down" I would have thought that James were the new Simple Minds... didn't work out for some reason.

I saw a 'New Model Army' back in 1984ish. All I remember is the name...

Paul

'51st State' by NMA is one of those cliche party songs in Germany... I liked 'Vagabonds' quite a lot.

Another not quite so belated discovery. Lyrically one of the smartest in the bizz. Actually I thought they were pretty big in the UK?

I've been an NMA fan since '84 myself. I remember how after 51st State came out they were banned from touring in the states for having 'No Artistic Merit'. How pathetic. If the band couldn't write a tune or a lyric, how come the yanks got SO upset at them?

Truth is, these guys are very, very good. I had the pleasure of meeting Justin Sullivan after a gig in Cambridge back in '87. He was sitting on the floor outside the dressing room, playing an acoustic guitar and singing just for the pleasure of it - this after an hour and a half of being on stage. I sat with him for 20 mins or so, and he couldn't have been nicer or more open.

Their output since has been invariably excellent and they remain one of my favourite bands from a musical, lyrical and (not unimportantly) political point of view.

OK, fanboy rant over! Other bands who have never had a high profile that deserve it? King's X. This rock trio are so damn talented it almost hurts! Also Steve Earle deserves more attention than he gets I reckon.

Why did all NMA fans wear black from head to toe? I'm afraid they were/are one of the worst groups I've ever heard and that is the reason they never made it.

James, which I have no liking for either, were very successful for many years.

Back in the early/mid '70s I rated 'Man' alongside my other favourites at the time - Grateful Dead, Neil Young, Pink Floyd etc and although they had some success it was modest and short lived. I have never understood why they didn't get the same glory. The upside is that I was able to see them many times in small venues rather than the stadiums.

Check out C'mon from Back to the Future, Spunk Rock from Greasy Truckers and the Maximum Darkness and Be Good to Yourself albums.

Gregson and Collister

Great Songwriting and Christine Collister, a voice to die for.

Check out 'Mischief' and 'A Change in the Weather', laso Christine Collister's live album with a cracking version of 'Last Chance Texaco'.

80's NWOBHM

Two bands I loved in my youth, Diamond Head and Magnum. Had all the albums and saw them several times.

Also Praying Mantis, did they release aything other than the single 'Captured City'??

Free Offshots

Crawler and Back Street Crawler, Free style music without the names!!


Mr Perceptive

There was a Canadian band called 1994 that were a bit like Heart. I bought two of their albums in Yanks record shop in Manchester in the 80's.
I've always been a fan of Billy Squier, but he never really made an impact in the UK.

I could never understand why Edinburgh's The Lost Soul Band never made it big, really big. Frustratingly, despite top-notch compositions and a great frontman in Gordon Graham, they fizzled out into obscurity in around 1994/5. Which is a real shame.

The real story apparently involves the sad old script of "Band makes great demo, gets signed by dubious label, is never promoted properly, band falls out with label, legal departments ensure band is stuck in contractual limbo. The End."

Which is a really big shame. If anyone ever encounters any Lost Soul Band vinyl, please let me know - I'll happily take it off your hands for decent money.

's funny how my tips for the top always come to 'owt...

jtc

I'm afraid I never much cared for New Model Army, to put it mildly. The clogs didn't help either. I once saw Slade the Leveller (I think that's what he used to call himself!) and his wife Joolz perform a poetry/spoken word type evening thingy. It was bad. I cringed and in protest sat and read the Daily Mirror instead.

The Go-Betweens, however, were a fantastic band. I believe they are still going. They reformed a while back and I recently bought 'The Friends of Rachel Worth' CD (from 2000). Nothing quite as good as the likes of 'Spring Rain' but still a really good record.

Coming form New Zealand, I'm sure you are familiar with the Chills. They were brilliant but not many people over here knew of them. 'Pink Frost', 'Doledrums' etc. and the album 'Submarine Bells' is a classic.

Indeed the GB's (well, Rob and Grant) are still going; they recently released a follow-up to Rachel Worth, the name of which escapes me.

I have for some reason always been drawn more to Australian music than NZ, the Triffids are another fave, also the Saints, and a little known outfit called Not Drowning, Waving.

The Chills are great, Pink Frost a classic. The Muttonbirds have been consistently good.

Yes, I'll vote for the Triffids too - cracking band.

On the subject of Man - are they still knocking around at all? My wife keeps saying how great they were, and would love to see them play again.

Some great bands mentioned here :

The Saints
The Go-Betweens
The Chills

How about RADIO BIRDMAN. I saw this wonderful band many times in 1977/78 here in Australia. I urge anyone into the Stooges\MC5\Velvets with a touch of Blue Oyster Cult and surf music to track down their "Radio's Appear" and "Living Eyes" albums or the excellent Sub-Pop compilation. My second favorite band of all time behind the Velvets.

MAN still play every now and again (at least here in Cardiff). I think the last gig was about a year ago.

Is this not perhaps a slightly odd definition of "not making it" here as arguably New Model Army and certainly the Go-Betweens and The Triffids were well known and widely respected bands who released a number of albums and sold a fair few copies. If you take them as a yardstick for non-success then we could be here for weeks.

However I think you can make a good case for the wrong Triffids albums being feted as the disappointng "Calenture" was the one that got the big label treament and lots of publcity but their best studio album is "Born Sandy Devotional" and thier finest moments are the Peel sessions ("Life of Crime" and "Lonely Stretch" in particular, the Field of Glass EP and their masterpiece is the almost live "In The Pines" on which they effectively invented alt.country.

The Chills were good but not great and after "Pink Frost" the fall off is very rapid. "Doledrums" is a bad record IMHO and never recoved fro the cringe making chorus ("In the doledrums on the dole" for gawds sake -- this is like VIth From band material).

Sticking with the indie theme two names that occur to me are The Field Mice and Galaxie 500. Both woefully underappreciated IMHO.

And of course the single most underrated band in the entire history of the universe is Half Man Half Biscuit for whom a large monument should be erected forthwith and a National Holiday declared in their honour. They currently have a new EP out called "Saucy Haulage Ballads" at the moment which is worth it for the line "Can you hear Talvin Singh" alone.

Matthew

I loved this four piece, most of whom went on to other bands with greater success. They were great live with perfect 3 minute pop. I also have their first album in orange vinyl!

Grand Hotel were also a local band that showed great promise and had a good first album but then went the "producer" and "session musician " route.

Ah, youth.

Matthew - you're right re In the Pines - what a cracker.

Richard,

"Only One Life", "25 to 5", "One Soul Less" (so much better than the over produced version on Calenture), "Keep Your Eyes on the Hole" and the utterly sublime "Love & Affection" (first track I ever heard on an LP12) are some of my favourite songs ever by anyone.

And the album was recorded on my birthday to boot.

Matthew

PS If anyone can play Love & Affection on the guitar I'd appreciate some hints as its defeated my attempts to work it out for nearly 20 years. (I don't have the best ear bvut can usually work most things out).

Two bands that I used to like;

Twelfth Night - Great live, with their God-bothering lead singer, but he left and they became just another heavy rock band.

Crazyhead - Great live, too and produced the rather good studio album, Desert Orchid, did one more OK album and then dissappeared. Any band with a Bass player called Porkbeast deserves respect!

NME were/are a great and well respected band over here in
Germany esp. Hamburg.
Justin Sullivan will do a show in Hamburg at the weekend
to support our local football club "Fc St. Pauli".
www.fcst.pauli.de (http://www.fcst.pauli.de)

As for Aussie bands, there were a few back in the 80´s who never made it big in Europe back then. Hunters & Collectors,
Redgum and one of my all time favourite party bands
The Skyhooks.

BTW the new Go Betweens´ album is called Bright Yellow Bright Orange and is a brilliant one IMO.

Cheers
Gernot

They were good. Hard rock and a bit new wave with flavours of prog and folk, good rythms, knack for a hook.

Why weren't they massive? There were hordes of crap rock bands in the late 70s/early 80s that ultimately filled arenas and sold millions of records by mere virtue of constant touring.

Well actually, I think they bagged a gold disc or two. In truth this msg is an excuse to post this stirling record sleeves.

It doesn't put a foot wrong. A naked woman, in heels, standing in a glass tube, on what looks like a bit of old carpet, holding a guitar...THAT'S ON FIRE!!!

A Manchester band who were often compared to The Stone Roses for a number of reasons. Firstly for their music, and secondly for the amount of time it took them to produce a follow up album.
The Stone Roses took about 5 years, Apple Violet took about 7. The difference was that the Apple Violet album lived up to expectation and was far superior to the first.
It has been 6 years since the release of 'Soundsound', rumour has it there will be a new album later this year.
The band seem to prefer playing gigs rather than releasing records. If you get the chance you must see them live!

Some individuals -

Sally Barker
Jay Fisher
Stephen Fearing

A band -

A Certain Ratio

What about Mary Margaret O'Hara

That could fit nicely into another thread too............

AFAIR they only produced one album. Called Breathe Awhile it also had naked women on the cover, though more in the Titian style. It's available from Amazon on CD and the LP is reputed to be worth a fortune and no, I won't sell.

My school mate Rob Ross introduced me to them when I was 14. He'd seen them live and gave the drummer the lace from his baseball boots to hold the kit together for the last part of the gig.

I was never very good at naming musical styles other than rock, pop and classical so lets say it was heavy rock but not metalic, if that makes sense.

The other band of the time not to make it of course was Function, where I played bass. Formed whilst at school we had two drummers, Dave and Tony; alternating on a kit and bongos, Chris on lead guitar and Dave on rhythm and occasional keyboards. We did a few gigs in local pubs, one as support band at a local university and one where the music teacher wrote the score for a school play for us, for which we all had to learn to read music.

We played covers of Taj Mahal; Six Days on the Road being a favourite, Chicago, others I can't remember plus a few of our own compositions.

Sadly we disbanded after about 3 years and went our own separate "grown up" ways. Fortunately, we spent a day in a recording studio, just for laughs, and I still have the cassette. Great stuff.

Mick

Have to agree with matthewr here. Galaxy 500 sound like the Velvets doing "The Ocean" on the 1969 live album, but better.
Today and On Fire are both fine albums.

Loop made fabulous dark psychedelia in the late 1980's, Black Rebel Motorcycle Club borrow bits of their sound.
Big Black where uncomfortable listening but no holds barred in terms of subject matter / how loud you can turn up the drum machine.

Big Black were wonderful. I think they definitely "made it", however - they had a large impact, and Steve Albini made his name as a producer as a result.

His current band, Shellac, are even better than Big Black IMO - particularly the At Action Park album.

-- Ian

You caught me out - name-dropping Big Black. Thanks for the info, I'll try out his new stuff.

Spookily enough I've been digging out my old Big Black lps lately to see how my hifi would cope, just as harsh, slamming, painful and glorious as I could hope for...
I'm with Sideshow that they made it as much as anybody making music as extreme as Big Black could hope for. I reckon a double A-side of The Model and Kerosene could do well in the chart though... the Linkin Park kids would love it!!

Good lord, other Big Black fans.... I thought I was the only person ever to hear of them! They were fabulous weren't they - still sounds fantastic today. Shellac rock too, and I agree - Action Park is the best album.

"I guess they know..... I'm not no company man but I can pull on a rope, to kill a cow, as well as any other f@*&£r can". What a lyric. The song 'Bazooka Joe' has sampled heavy machine guns for drums. Awesome :D