View Full Version : Linn Ittok LVII v RB300


Bagga
17-02-09, 01:35 AM
I have an LP12 (early 199?s to Valhalla) currently fitted with a standard RB300 / Denon DL160.

Can anyone gve me a view as to whether changing the arm to an Ittok LVII would make significant sonic improvements? I have always slightly regretted buying a used Sondek without an Ittok/Ekos arm and the Linn dealer was not that keen on fitting the RB300.

I do think that the RB300 is a good arm and was a giant killer in some ways when introduced, but don't know how well suited it is to the LP12?

I remember being blown away as a student spending my grant (SHSHSH!) on a new Rega 3/RB300/A&RP77 (sadly stolen 10 years later:mad:) at the Audio Centre in Sheffield (1984) by a demo of an LP12/Ittok/Asak /5k of Naim amps / Kans.

Other ideas have been looking at modified / Origin Live arms. But would those based on the Rega design still have fndamental compatibility issues with the LP12?

I suppose the basic questions are:

1. Is there any fundamental issue between the LP12/RB300 (+ OL variants)?
2. Would an Ittok sound better? (EKOS must be over budget??)
3. What other options should I consider - if I were spending 300-400 max (including used) arms?


P.S. -- spent most of the rest of my grant at the Record Collector in Broomhill, and in the Frog and Parrot!:D

All sensible help and feedback would be appreciated. (No manufacturer- bashing please!):confused:

P.S. Apologies - have just seen a similar active thread! ..would still value any added thoughts from the perspective that I have given....

CJ1045
17-02-09, 01:41 AM
I would buy one, try it/compare it with the Rega and then sell it if you don't think it worth it. There is not a lot of risk to this strategy and you should only lose out on postage one way at most. For second hand gear a trip to ebay can be pretty cheap. I have deon this on a couple of things I wanted to try out and I am in profit!!

Regards
CJ

Nik
17-02-09, 05:21 AM
Received wisdom at the time was that the Rega's mounting (single large nut) wasn't an ideal mechanical match with the LP12's bearing/subchassis fixing but that this was largely solved with the Cirkus. Although I have an RB300 (on a modded AR XAU), I've never taken the time and trouble to try it on the LP12 (Lingo-Cirkus-Ekos-Arkiv). I'd need to put the Arkiv in the Rega (which has an Elys in it) for a proper comparison and there are just too many things that I could mess up! And I'd need a Rega-drilled armboard which I'd have no other use for.

IMO the Ekos was clearly better than the LVII but the LVIII, which I never heard, must've closed the gap.

spxy
17-02-09, 05:24 AM
Most of the problem with an rega arm on an LP12 is in the fact that a the arm cable is too thin for the p-clip to hold it tightly.

Stuffing some wadding in there an making sure the clip is really tight around the cable would help if you haven't done so already.

hifi_dave
17-02-09, 05:30 AM
I've put several RB300's on LP12's and there is no problem, even the P-clip can be sorted. The main problem, back in the day, was that Linn saw the RB300 as a threat.

Having said that, the Ittok is a better sounding arm on the LP12 and is worth a try. As a previous post said, if you don't like it, you can always sell it again on E-Bay.

YNWOAN
17-02-09, 05:53 AM
P.S. -- spent most of the rest of my grant at the Record Collector in Broomhill, and in the Frog and Parrot!:D

Both still there (mostly CD in RC though - bah).

DSJR
17-02-09, 05:58 AM
I think the RB300 works better on Cirkussed decks than previous ones, although I too sold several LP12/RB300 combinations at the time with no problems if the cartridge was carefully chosen - most popular pickups back then had a pronounced bass up/top down balance.

I'd probably suggest upgrades to the LP12 before even thinking about Ittok or Ekos, but as you have a bee in your bonnet about never having owned an Ittok I know what you're going to do. Just make sure you keep the Rega arm for now, carefully packed away if necessary.

deserter
17-02-09, 06:05 AM
I had, as a second deck, an LP12 with RB300 and ATOC9, for several years, it worked really well. I think the sound is so different from the Ittok sound you just have to have a listen and see which you prefer. MY choice would be for the Rega, but thats probably because I am approaching old fartdom. The Ittok is livelier.

Bagga
17-02-09, 06:36 AM
Both still there (mostly CD in RC though - bah).

..and the "Audio Centre" (on West St?) - I think this is long gone! ?

..t'was a big naughty of them to play me the LINN/NAM system when I was a student buying a Rega Planar 3 feeding a ropey amp (AIWA?) and Speakers (Genesis V6). Luckilly I now have a little more spending power and an understanding wife!

..remember buying 21 used albums in the Record Collector in the second term of my first year -that same time I got the Rega 3! Some fab albums too! Great days!

Thanks to all for advice! I am not unhappy with the sound of the LP12 and RB300 which was well fitted at Billy Vee and hence may save my money for more music for ther time being and consider arm replacements / upgrades (OL?) later! Just though I'd ask as there are a couple of ITTOKS going for a song on ePAY!

DSJR
17-02-09, 06:40 AM
They won't be going for a song much longer I reckon unless they're shagged.......

Bagga
17-02-09, 06:47 AM
but as you have a bee in your bonnet about never having owned an Ittok I know what you're going to do. Just make sure you keep the Rega arm for now, carefully packed away if necessary.

No! I had an upgrade bug and asked for advice here; have read some useful thoughts; and I have decided that there is no clear case and I will stick with what I've got on the tonearm front!

Maybe one day I'll trade in the whole turntable for a more modern version LP12 ASTRONOMIKALOUS with the latest SHEDKLOADS arm..... but I'm enjoying my vinyl now anyway!

Also looking forward to getting my AAA5......

Bagga
17-02-09, 06:50 AM
They won't be going for a song much longer I reckon unless they're shagged.......

Early days in the auctions - but they will shoot up in price (beyond a reasonable value) towards auction end no doubt! Certainly one is advertised by a main Linn dealer..so should be OK!?

I'll pass anyway

John P
17-02-09, 07:09 AM
The Nima is imo, a cracker. I have done a few now on LP12's and I think that with the right cartridge, works superbly. I don't care much for the ittok and think it's highly overated for what it does.

Strangely, just done an LP12 with a Nima using a Lyra Helikon and puts my DV17d3 to shame.

Nik
17-02-09, 07:54 AM
No! I had an upgrade bug and asked for advice here; have read some useful thoughts; and I have decided that there is no clear case and I will stick with what I've got on the tonearm front!

Maybe one day I'll trade in the whole turntable for a more modern version LP12 ASTRONOMIKALOUS with the latest SHEDKLOADS arm..... but I'm enjoying my vinyl now anyway!

Also looking forward to getting my AAA5......
I think that's a good idea. I bought a new LP12 in the late 80s with LVX and K9. After a while I upgraded to Ittok and Karma. Further upgrades to Lingo, Ekos, and Troika were just too expensive so I eventually sold the lot (someone flew over from Greece for it!) and bought a used Lingo-Cirkus-Ekos-Arkiv combo from a much more reasonable amount.

CJ1045
17-02-09, 08:02 AM
An Ittok went on ebay at the weekend for 455

CJ

Bagga
17-02-09, 09:57 AM
An Ittok went on ebay at the weekend for 455

CJ

Amazing! Does anyone know what Ittoks cost new when last sold?

Call me a cynic! I think Epay is potentially a fantastic marketplace and great sales channel for genuine businesses to sell more widely. However, I do get slightly suspicious of the "has been in storage for last 15 years" messages on EPAY regarding Ittoks / other Hifi that could be worn out. I am sure that many a "story" on ebay is made up for effect by some unscrupulous dealers in attempt to improve buyer copnfidence.

Its a shame really as genuine sellers with a genuine story would be tarred with the same brush ..I guess buying and selling in the classifieds here might be a safer bet?

....A new Roksan Nima is less at 415 ish.....

flatpopely
17-02-09, 11:54 AM
I went from an RB250 to an Ittok, you won't be disappointed. Good as the RB250 was it was no Ittok. I placed a WTB add in the classifieds. I got one in great condition but with notchy bearings. I sent it up to AudioOrigami for a bearing rebuild and complete rewire. The whole thing cost me <400 and IMHO its a stunner! I recently replaced an OC9MLII (great) with a Troika and the whole deck just sings with my style (Prog) of music.

Andrew

Biggus-Dickkus
18-02-09, 03:19 PM
I've seen Ittoks regularly go for in excess of 350 and as much as 475 for a nice one, so I doubt you will ever see a cheap one on eBay, unless it's shagged. A mint Ittok LVIII went for 870 a few months ago. Still a bloody good arm the Ittok IMO.

ian r
18-02-09, 04:17 PM
This thread is interesting to me as Im still undecided about leaving the r300 on my 401 or using my original from new Itok 11 and selling the 300 and lp12 on.

I really must get the 401 out of its workbench plinth but cant afford the clearly superior slate plinth and dear mikes dont hit the WAF button hereabouts so I have to do it myself

hmm longer evenings coming up might help

Mullardman
18-02-09, 04:58 PM
Amazing! Does anyone know what Ittoks cost new when last sold?


Don't hold me to this, but I think they were a bit shy of 700. (For the LV III)

I think the last version appeared in the early nineties. I bought an Akito to go on another deck around 93. From memory I'd say the MK2 Akito (possibly the biggest con in the history of audio) was released around 95/6 to replace the Ittok. I am happy to be corrected on any of this by less senile members!

I have a rather nice LVIII. :)

The Captain
18-02-09, 07:14 PM
3. ittoks are pricey thesedays/ too much for me and the old lp12. I was thinking along the lines of a mission 774 (the good one) or a roksan nima(but prob out of budget even this).. ie v good arms between a 'rb300/akito 1' price, and the ittok.

personally I'd not be shy of an akito 2 if I were you: the rb300 is detailed, but a bit plain sounding compared the akito which would match the lp12 v well, is 'faster' and more involving.

darrylfunk
18-02-09, 09:14 PM
some carts sound more at home on a rega and some on an ittok.

don't forget second hand roksan tabriz arms for a ittock sounding arm with better bass and tweakability ....

Mullardman
19-02-09, 05:51 AM
personally I'd not be shy of an akito 2 if I were you:

Me neither. I didn't intend to 'dis' the arm from an SQ POV, especially since I don't think I've ever heard one.
I just found it hard to swallow at the time of introduction. They stopped the Ittok and then touted the Akito 2 as better, on the basis of a paint job and allegedly superior bearings, and a price hike from around 160 to, IIRC, over 500. That's 340 for a couple of bearings and a spot of paint! Struck me as more a case of pricing to fit a prescribed hierarchy than anything related to cost or quality.

Mull

flatpopely
19-02-09, 05:57 AM
Me neither. I didn't intend to 'dis' the arm from an SQ POV, especially since I don't think I've ever heard one.
I just found it hard to swallow at the time of introduction. They stopped the Ittok and then touted the Akito 2 as better, on the basis of a paint job and allegedly superior bearings, and a price hike from around 160 to, IIRC, over 500. That's 340 for a couple of bearings and a spot of paint! Struck me as more a case of pricing to fit a prescribed hierarchy than anything related to cost or quality.

Mull

Did they not also move production to Scotland for the MKII Akito?

Andrew

Paddy
19-02-09, 05:58 AM
I had the interesting experience of being told that the, at the time new, kustone base stands made the Keilidh speakers sound so good that the dealer had to take them off for fear of not being able to sell any more Kabers. Then heard the same line from another dealer. Bunch of lying ar@es or is this Linn's training showing through, your guess is as good as mine

The Captain
19-02-09, 07:38 AM
Did they not also move production to Scotland for the MKII Akito?

Andrew

yes indeed- its an altogether better beastie than the 1 afaict.

i must say i'd like to hear how a nima or tabriz whichever costs less, sounds in comparison to my akito 1.

anyone know the going rate for these roksan's s/h?

Robn
19-02-09, 07:50 AM
paid 375 for a SH Nima with the upgrade leads fitted

Nik
19-02-09, 07:53 AM
Me neither. I didn't intend to 'dis' the arm from an SQ POV, especially since I don't think I've ever heard one.
I just found it hard to swallow at the time of introduction. They stopped the Ittok and then touted the Akito 2 as better, on the basis of a paint job and allegedly superior bearings, and a price hike from around 160 to, IIRC, over 500. That's 340 for a couple of bearings and a spot of paint! Struck me as more a case of pricing to fit a prescribed hierarchy than anything related to cost or quality.

Mull
Was the Akito really that cheap when it came out? My Basik Plus cost 130 (or was it 120?) when I bought it with my LP12 in 1987/8.

halvis
19-02-09, 08:37 AM
anyone know the going rate for these roksan's s/h?

A Tabriz went for just under 150.00 last week on eBay. Not sure if you can use a Rega arm board though (as you would for a Nima) when installing onto LP12.

Mullardman
19-02-09, 09:07 AM
Was the Akito really that cheap when it came out? My Basik Plus cost 130 (or was it 120?) when I bought it with my LP12 in 1987/8.

I purchased an Akito from Congleton Hi Fi around 1993-4. I'm pretty certain it was 169 or something close. I'll try to dig out the receipt.

larzyh
19-02-09, 09:35 AM
I have experience of the RB300 and own an Ittok. Never having heard them side by side nor in similar context, it's hard for me to, directly, comment on their relative merits.

However, I do think the Rega arm is brilliant; simply made, quality product, at a bargain price. The one-piece casting is genius; I wonder if even Roy Gandy expected to sell as many as he has. A bit of tweaking can take it to even higher levels of performance.

The Ittok, on the other hand, is different; a much higher quality of finish and material. It is clearly a more expensive product. People used to use the term "camera finish"; the Ittok has it in spades (especially in black). 400+ for a good example; I think it's worth it!

By the way, mine has actually been in storage for 10 years. Changed it for an Alphason HR-100S, another excellent arm. I am now on an SME IV and while SME always receive laudits for their finish I think the Ittok is right up there.

I don't really get the significance of the made in Japan or Scotland issue; fine if you're scottish and you want to support home industry but the Ittok was Made in Japan in the best possible sense.

Nik
19-02-09, 09:59 AM
A Tabriz went for just under 150.00 last week on eBay. Not sure if you can use a Rega arm board though (as you would for a Nima) when installing onto LP12.
According to VinylEngine's database, all Roksan arms have the same geometry and mounting hole size.

DSJR
19-02-09, 11:46 AM
The Akito mk1 was around 175 IIRC when it forst appeared and I believe the Ittok LV III started at around 599 and finished up at 699 if I'm not mistaken (things from this company were shooting up in price each year I recall, as the Axis nearly doubled in price in around five years).

The Akito mk2 has been claimed to be as good as an ORIGINAL Ittok, that's the first, thin pillar version, but I'll tell you one thing (all you Ittok owners know what I'm going to say ;)), IN NO WAY does the Akito in ANY version feel like a precision instrument, whereas the vast majority of well cared for Ittoks out there do.........

Given the choice between a used mk2 Akito or original thin pillared Ittok, I'd take the latter every time and get it fettled by Audio Origami...

Nik
19-02-09, 04:52 PM
The Akito mk1 was around 175 IIRC when it forst appeared and I believe the Ittok LV III started at around 599 and finished up at 699 if I'm not mistaken (things from this company were shooting up in price each year I recall, as the Axis nearly doubled in price in around five years).

The Akito mk2 has been claimed to be as good as an ORIGINAL Ittok, that's the first, thin pillar version, but I'll tell you one thing (all you Ittok owners know what I'm going to say ;)), IN NO WAY does the Akito in ANY version feel like a precision instrument, whereas the vast majority of well cared for Ittoks out there do.........

Given the choice between a used mk2 Akito or original thin pillared Ittok, I'd take the latter every time and get it fettled by Audio Origami...
Thanks. I'm surprised the Akito 1's price was so close to the Basik Plus's, which makes the price of the Mk 2 even harder to swallow.

Yes, build/finish of the Ittok was as good as anything.

I'll just mention here that whatever the virtues of the RB300, the ancillary bits and the finish always looked cheap. You could see where the corners were cut.

skyebridge
19-02-09, 05:03 PM
that's what you need to pay for the real thing! whichever version - properly cared for - ttok's are superb arms.

rega's seem to me to be inferior copies - poorer materials and awful arm wiring.

maybe they can take some advantage from lightness and improved friction/bearing efficiency, but in terms of running an lp-12 to fullest potential, so what - light arms won't work anyway!!

Nik
20-02-09, 04:00 AM
that's what you need to pay for the real thing! whichever version - properly cared for - ttok's are superb arms.

rega's seem to me to be inferior copies - poorer materials and awful arm wiring.

maybe they can take some advantage from lightness and improved friction/bearing efficiency, but in terms of running an lp-12 to fullest potential, so what - light arms won't work anyway!!
I don't see how they are copies. Different in every way: different geometry, cast one-piece vs assembled, magnetic bias vs spring, third cartridge bolt at opposite end of headshell, large single nut fixing vs 3 bolts, and so on.

What puzzled me was that it took so long to make upmarket versions of the RB300 when people were obviously willing to pay for better wiring and finish. Of course, this created a whole RB-based arm modifying industry on a scale never seen with SME, Linn, etc. :D

Bagga
20-02-09, 11:54 PM
Thanks all! This thread seems to have developed a life of its own

and "I didn't expect the Spanish inquisition!......."

P.S. I am exploring short-medium term options to 'mod' the RB300 (or buy an RB250/251 - modified) I have a Tecnoweight on its way to me and am considering buying a modified 251 from Audio Origami. In the longer term I may look to trade in the LP12 for a newer version perhaps with an EKOS if funds permit......

Thanks again!

jackbarron
27-07-10, 11:20 AM
Thanks all! This thread seems to have developed a life of its own

and "I didn't expect the Spanish inquisition!......."

P.S. I am exploring short-medium term options to 'mod' the RB300 (or buy an RB250/251 - modified) I have a Tecnoweight on its way to me and am considering buying a modified 251 from Audio Origami. In the longer term I may look to trade in the LP12 for a newer version perhaps with an EKOS if funds permit......

Thanks again!

I've got an RB250 on a Linn LP12. The arm has been structurally modded by Origin Live and rewired by Incognito.

In terms of sound reproduction, it is miles on from the Linn Basik which was originally on the deck.

The only annoying thing is the arm is held onto the Linn toneboard by a large, single ring.

Even if you do this up tightly, the arm can still be moved a little.

This makes me think that although sonically the OL modded RB250 is a great arm, I might replace it with an Ittok, and put it on a Technics 1210 deck.

Jack

barrymidd
27-07-10, 11:42 AM
I have direct experience of both these arms although not on an LP12 as I have never owned one. I do restore Thorens TD125s though and have used both arms in this application (which should ultimately be very similar to an LP12). The RB300 is much better sounding and cartridges seem to track better on it than the Ittok. IMO the one-piece construction of the RB300 is the reason for the superior performance. It is very important to shim (shims available on Ebay) the VTA very accurately (which is a bit of a PITA, but essential) and don't tighten the nut too much as this spoils the sound. I set the VTA slightly lower than parallel at the bearing and a bit of BluTack arround the threads UNDERNEATH the armboard helps stop the arm moving once the nut is nipped up. If set up correctly, the RB300 is a top arm despite its price point. The lack of integral VTA adjustment has definite sonic benefits in this case.

pure sound
27-07-10, 12:13 PM
I hope some of your mid 80's grant was also put to good use in the Limit (wednesdays) and the Fat Cat (anytime).

Blurboy
27-07-10, 12:41 PM
I've had both the Ittok LVII and Origin Live Silver which is a well fettled RB300 and the Silver is more than a match for the Ittok. Both arms were used on LP12's as my current LP12 runs the Silver Mk2. The Silver FWIW is a very capable tonearm and can be used with top notch MC's no problem, just as an Ittok can.

Bertw
27-11-12, 08:23 AM
I have an LP12 (early 199?s to Valhalla) currently fitted with a standard RB300 / Denon DL160.

Can anyone gve me a view as to whether changing the arm to an Ittok LVII would make significant sonic improvements? ..

In the mid to late 1980's I bought an LP12 and had an RB300 fitted to it. I couldn't live with it as, whilst the mid and treble were really nice, the bass just seemed to swamp everything - and that was on Linn Kans (not a bass heavy speaker by any means).

I upgraded to a S/H Ittok LVII and never regreted the desicion. It isn't that RB300's won't work with suspended sub-chasis decks because I'm now using an RB300 on a Manticore mantra (the front end of a second system I have) and it sounds great, it just didn't work having an RB300 on my LP12.

I still have the old LP12 armboard that was for the RB300 somewhere in doors, never quite sure what to use it for but couldn't bring myself to throw it away.

Si74
27-11-12, 01:27 PM
Having never been a fan of the Ittok or Rega RB250/3000, I bought a Schue Analog modded RB251. Whether it is the arm mods or the different interface with the Linn board, it's a whole different kettle of fish with non of the grey?sterile sound of the old Regas on a Linn. I'm fairly sure given a J7 rewire this would give an old Ittok a good run.
Liked the Ekos but price wise they are plain silly, I bought a Zeta(rewired and checked by J7) and a Kuzma Stogi ok'd by Johnnie, both for a fraction of what people are asking for a minty Ekos.
All just a hiccup as in spite of many Syrinx which all sound nice, I don't find gimbal bearings conducive to musical enjoyment. A well tempered old thing & a long gone Kuzma Stogi S maybe just shade the PU 3 I sold in a moment of madness.

As a footnote, how many thousands are driven insane by Regas utterly shit arm drops sometime in the next three days mechanism! or not at all in some cases, must have broken a few needles and on a bouncer it's a real p.i.t.a

lotus340r
27-11-12, 02:31 PM
Zeta anyone ?

Ive had a few pass through here of late and they seemed to be at least as good as an ekos. Cheaper than an ittok as well on the used market.

James
27-11-12, 05:05 PM
... I don't find gimbal bearings conducive to musical enjoyment.
I've had the RB300 (on AR Turntable) and Ittok LVII (on LP12). I can't possibly comment on how they'd compare on the same deck, but I do recall getting completely blown away by the ARO (on LP12). There is just such a natural sense of music played through a good uni-pivot. It makes the Ittok (or my memory of it) sound mechanical in comparison. The only downside of the ARO is cueability (for me) mid-record, but the benefit is getting to play whole sides of records.

Did I say I love my ARO?

thebiglebowski
27-11-12, 05:35 PM
I had a stock rb300 on my lp12 when i first got it and didn't like the sound at all. On an lp12 I think the basik arm beats the rb300. On the flipside a basik on a rega p3 doesn't sound anywhere near as good as the rb300 though.

Gaius
28-11-12, 09:01 AM
I have experience of the RB300 and own an Ittok. Never having heard them side by side nor in similar context, it's hard for me to, directly, comment on their relative merits.

However, I do think the Rega arm is brilliant; simply made, quality product, at a bargain price. The one-piece casting is genius; I wonder if even Roy Gandy expected to sell as many as he has. A bit of tweaking can take it to even higher levels of performance.

The Ittok, on the other hand, is different; a much higher quality of finish and material. It is clearly a more expensive product. People used to use the term "camera finish"; the Ittok has it in spades (especially in black). 400+ for a good example; I think it's worth it!

By the way, mine has actually been in storage for 10 years. Changed it for an Alphason HR-100S, another excellent arm. I am now on an SME IV and while SME always receive laudits for their finish I think the Ittok is right up there.

I don't really get the significance of the made in Japan or Scotland issue; fine if you're scottish and you want to support home industry but the Ittok was Made in Japan in the best possible sense.

I agree with that and am a big fan of the Ittok.

I have had RB300 on LP12 and then went to Ittok, it's a significant jump up.

I also think the Ittok is a better arm than Roksan Nima and after having an ARO and then going back to Ittok it has a lot to offer.

I had mine rewired by Johnnie at Audio Origami in Ikeda pure silver which again is a nice upgrade.

I sold it to a fishy who had an Ittok and he was amazed how much better my arm was.

The Rega RB1000 is a worthy contender for the LP12, and I'd have that in front of Linn's Akito any day which now sells for 1500!!!!!

You can almost get a new SME IV for that which is another superb arm and piece of engineering.

Secondhand though I'd say the Ittok easily wins the day.

muzzer
28-11-12, 09:07 AM
1500 for an Akito!!!
That is ridiculous.

337alant
28-11-12, 09:48 AM
All Linn prices associated with the LP12 accessories are ridiculouse so no supprises there:rolleyes:

Alan

John R
28-11-12, 11:31 AM
1500 for an Akito!!!
That is ridiculous.

All Linn prices associated with the LP12 accessories are ridiculouse so no supprises there:rolleyes:

Alan

Totally agree !

If it were my money, it would either go to Rega for an RB1000 with a nice new mid priced MC cart, Benz anyone? Or a little more to j7 for a PU7.

Alternatively, for the unipivot brigade 1500 should secure a nice SH but entirely serviceable ARO.

rigger1966
24-02-14, 06:05 AM
Have owned both these arms and used on the LP12.....The Rega RB300 to me is a much more musical arm than the Linn Ittok in that to me the music flows more naturally with a richer mid range...The ittok is a bit clinical ...I have used both these arms with valve amplification and a Graham Slee phono stage.....I am not a huge fan of the LP12 turntable and think there are a lot of dodgy ones on E bay claiming this and that....I find the Rega Planar well sited and with a half decent cartridge ie a Goldring 1000 series works well....I believe a decks siting is one of the most important factors...It is horses for courses really .....I have been enjoying music on my Planar 3 with valve amplification for many years now never feeling the need for change...the biggest upgrade was the Graham Slee phono stage if I am truthfull..I am listening to some Joe Cocker at the moment as I write this ....I think Rega is a better rock arm with the Ittok being different in its presentation......

amazement
24-02-14, 06:36 AM
Was the Akito really that cheap when it came out? My Basik Plus cost 130 (or was it 120?) when I bought it with my LP12 in 1987/8.

I think I paid around 145 for my new Akito in 1991 ish. I believe Akito 2 is now 1500. Ouch.

jimification
24-02-14, 06:49 AM
I was in your situation and went for the "poor man's Aro" - (Nima). For me it's a in the same camp as the William Firebaugh's (WTA designer) fishing wire approach - all this hassle to engineer mega-bearings to 1 micron and reduce friction / stiction and then someone just balances an arm on a spike :)

martin dawson
24-02-14, 06:51 AM
I've ben through a myriad of arms in my time which includes 3 Ittoks but to my ears nothing compared to the Aro on my LP 12 but it needs the Armegeddon to power it. Problem being how many people sell their Aro's? You see very few come on the market.

Regards,

Martin

Gaius
24-02-14, 07:04 AM
I agree the ARO is special and comes into it's own with a full Naim system, when I had one on the LP12 it was with Armageddon and active SBLs, quite an awesome sound!

We have a new uni pivot alternative at Tangerine in the guise of the gorgeous Moerch DP4 which at around 1000 brand new takes some beating and it looks beautiful.

Regards,

Mark