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skito
08-12-09, 09:15 AM
Hi, I'm familiar with Naim 72/32.5 - either with Hi-cap and 140/180. How do these compare with Quad 33, 34 303/ 405? Anyone had experience with these?

rontoolsie
08-12-09, 09:21 AM
In a side by side comparison (done at Eulipon Audio many years ago) a 42/110-without Snaps, handily bested the Quad 44/405 in every possible way. Of course that was purely going through phono stages, as line stages had no real hi-fi applications in those days.

skito
08-12-09, 09:28 AM
In a side by side comparison (done at Eulipon Audio many years ago) a 42/110-without Snaps, handily bested the Quad 44/405 in every possible way. Of course that was purely going through phono stages, as line stages had no real hi-fi applications in those days.

Cheers Ron, I had a 42.5 once but thought it sounded small scale in comparison with the 32.5 and 72. I do like Naim but am curious about the comparison with Quad.

Gaius
08-12-09, 09:46 AM
I think quad is pretty much the opposite to Naim, smooth, polite, not things you associate with Naim so much. I had 44/405, apples and oranges compared to my 42.5/180.

Skito, please describe differences between 42.5/72, would this be a step up, I found a prior 72 a bit shouty but then the speakers were intros...

stevec67
08-12-09, 09:51 AM
I'd choose the quad all day long. Naim fans the naim. If you like the naim sound nothing else will do (exposure and nytech aside!) and quad will not suit you. Listen and decide is all i can say.

skito
08-12-09, 09:59 AM
Hi Gaius,

The 42.5 had been serviced in the year or so prior to me buying and came with a receipt from Naim for the work done so was up to spec. When i say smaller scale it gave off much less volume overall than the 72 and didn't seem to take a hold of the speakers the same. It was a decent sound but i found it just didn't fill the room at the time so tended to skip between the 72 and 32.5 which i couldn't make my mind up about at times though the 72 tended to hold sway mostly as i usually ended up in blast mode more often which the 72 wins hands down. I'm now looking for something a bit more laid back and find the 72b a bit too up front and shouty as you describe it. I used these amps with Harbeth Compact 7s and ATC SCM 7s - sometimes with the 140 sometimes with the 180. The ATCs seem to lack power with either power amp however it was an old high ceiling room at the time so maybe the ATCs were just a bit small.

skito
08-12-09, 10:00 AM
I'd choose the quad all day long. Naim fans the naim. If you like the naim sound nothing else will do (exposure and nytech aside!) and quad will not suit you. Listen and decide is all i can say.

Hi steve, what Quad combo do you use?

andy831
08-12-09, 10:06 AM
In full agreement with Stevec67 here, having had both I prefered the Quad which I still have as a second amp.

mudlark
08-12-09, 10:20 AM
my multichannel system uses naim 140, avondale and quad 303s.

i have not died.

stevec67
08-12-09, 10:26 AM
I've had many quads, 33/34/44, my fave is 44. 33 noisy and a bit vintage these days, but very musical.

Powers - 405 mk2 is best IMO. Twinned 405 1s are great inio problem loads which can present difficulty to sinlle 405s. The Dada mods etc are worthwhie, loads on the net.

If you like these amps they are cheap and plentiful, sound great and will take on real heavyweights, esp if modded.

skito
08-12-09, 10:52 AM
...cheers i,m as scientific as a gnat when it comes to buying...to wit, I just bought 33, 303 and 405 (1) on ebay never having heard any of them but then i did the same with the Naim years ago as i hate shops. They've all been cheap as chips so i shouldn't lose if i they don't gel. I can't hear them for a few months tho as i'm in Thailand until after the new year and was looking for some additional views of people that have tried both. Kop un krap as they say here!

packtech
08-12-09, 11:06 AM
Hi, I'm familiar with Naim 72/32.5 - either with Hi-cap and 140/180. How do these compare with Quad 33, 34 303/ 405? Anyone had experience with these?

I have no idea why anyone would ask a question like this, why dont you just listen in your own room with your own equipment and make your own judgment? This is the same as asking which girlfriend you would choose..or which Chocolate, it makes no sense at all. I might love Quad and say to you "yes it is this and that and sounds really wonderful" you may buy it and think "what is this guy on?, this is really crap, etc etc..I guess you looking for someone to help you make a decision which is impossible for them to make..This is exactly what the magazines feed on and perpetuate, how my experience of an amplifier in my room with my equipment with my music can in any way help you choose what you may like with your equipment in your room with your wine and music and girlfriend is beyond me, can anyone else help here?? with something helpful and non-subjective?..the whole thing about Hi-Fi equipment is that is is PERSONAL and SUBJECTIVE..sorry to piss on your chips here..but just TRY IT..you may be delighted..you may not..but in any event, at least YOU will know YOURSELF..why should someone else's input matter?

Radfordman
08-12-09, 12:31 PM
Overs the years I have had (and still have) many pieces of Quad equipment. In 1976 I bought brand new a 405 and was instantly disappointed. The sound did not suit me. It was boring, certainly not up to Radford STA25 III or Quad 303 quality. It sat unused on the shelf for quite a few years until the 405-2 came out. I decided to fit TL 071 op amps (as in 405-2). There was a marked improvement in sound quality.

So I decided to get the Quad 405-2 conversion kit (not cheap). Fitted it, same sound as my cheap op amp update. Oh well!

In more recent years I fitted Burr Brown op amps and gained a further subtle sound improvement. Strange, after all those years I'm only just getting value from the amp. It's pretty good now.

It's connected directly to my SB sound card (no pre amp or mechanical volume control) feeding some Chartwell 15 Ohm LS3/5a's.

Playing at this moment (Neil Young)

TheDecameron
08-12-09, 12:52 PM
Hi, I'm familiar with Naim 72/32.5 - either with Hi-cap and 140/180. How do these compare with Quad 33, 34 303/ 405? Anyone had experience with these?
34/405 will blow them away, not that thats saying much. The 34 is the worst preamp Ive ever heard
;)

Robert
08-12-09, 01:16 PM
The 34/306 or 34/405-2 is easily comparable to a Naim pre/power so long as you aren't triggering any current limiting.
At the risk of sounding like a broken record, they don't sound that different at all when you cant see them. The Naim = forward and forceful & Quad = smooth and polite is a gross overstatement.

About half of my 30 or so needledrops on this forum from my P9/AT33 went through a 34 - not had a negative comment yet. Of course if it really is that bad it'll be pretty obvious....

Of the power amps, the 306 seems the bargain as it is essentially a 606 with a smaller PSU and one pair of output transistors per side - otherwise identical circuit.
You can pick these up for about 120.

405-2 is much underrated and as RM mentions you can also get the Mk1 405 up to speed for only a few pounds.

I'll be receiving a nice 303 next week to fettle. No real experience with the 303 so looking forward to hearing it.

The old TL071 op amp is fine in these applications, at the frequencies involved and with the load placed upon them. No need to change them IMO.

1000RPM
08-12-09, 01:19 PM
I have no idea why anyone would ask a question like this, why dont you just listen in your own room with your own equipment and make your own judgment? This is the same as asking which girlfriend you would choose..or which Chocolate, it makes no sense at all. I might love Quad and say to you "yes it is this and that and sounds really wonderful" you may buy it and think "what is this guy on?, this is really crap, etc etc..I guess you looking for someone to help you make a decision which is impossible for them to make..This is exactly what the magazines feed on and perpetuate, how my experience of an amplifier in my room with my equipment with my music can in any way help you choose what you may like with your equipment in your room with your wine and music and girlfriend is beyond me, can anyone else help here?? with something helpful and non-subjective?..the whole thing about Hi-Fi equipment is that is is PERSONAL and SUBJECTIVE..sorry to piss on your chips here..but just TRY IT..you may be delighted..you may not..but in any event, at least YOU will know YOURSELF..why should someone else's input matter?

Whole point of PFM is free exchange of opinions on matters hi-fi...we share opinions and then decide alone. Geddit?

Gaius
08-12-09, 03:17 PM
Playing at this moment (Neil Young)

Always good

smithy
08-12-09, 04:09 PM
My first proper amp was a Quad 405 I remember Avondale advertising their modifications in the back of HiFi Answers.I wanted to get it modified but Les had problems with the new boards he was producing,then I bought a RATA modified NAP 250 instead.

skito
08-12-09, 07:37 PM
I have no idea why anyone would ask a question like this, why dont you just listen in your own room with your own equipment and make your own judgment? This is the same as asking which girlfriend you would choose..or which Chocolate, it makes no sense at all. I might love Quad and say to you "yes it is this and that and sounds really wonderful" you may buy it and think "what is this guy on?, this is really crap, etc etc..I guess you looking for someone to help you make a decision which is impossible for them to make..This is exactly what the magazines feed on and perpetuate, how my experience of an amplifier in my room with my equipment with my music can in any way help you choose what you may like with your equipment in your room with your wine and music and girlfriend is beyond me, can anyone else help here?? with something helpful and non-subjective?..the whole thing about Hi-Fi equipment is that is is PERSONAL and SUBJECTIVE..sorry to piss on your chips here..but just TRY IT..you may be delighted..you may not..but in any event, at least YOU will know YOURSELF..why should someone else's input matter?

...there's not that many shops selling old Quad 1972 - 1978 gear i can run to for an audition. If i don't like it it goes, at around 300 quid the lot i doubt i'll suffer much. Anyway I'm on hi-fi forum and asking for some views of people that have had both. Last i looked it was full of that!

skito
08-12-09, 07:47 PM
..thanks for the replies a lot of it quite positive about the Quad stuff so looking forward to hearing it. There's so much of it available cheaply and in good nic and reputation it's been calling out to me from afar!

markzb
09-12-09, 01:53 AM
My experience is that it depends on the kind of music you like.

I listen to a lot of chamber music and the Naim gear mentioned makes chamber music go from "not so nice to listen to" to sometimes "awful to listen to". Their presentation, which can be so highly enjoyable with other genres of music just doesn't work here, at least for me.

In comparison, the Quad stuff mentioned enables one to listen to music for hours and hours on end, day after day....

I exchanged my Naim stuff for some Quad stuff and never looked back.

I would agree though that some of these Quad items can sound somewhat "shut in". But that can be sorted :)

quad2fan
10-12-09, 01:13 PM
FWIW the capacitors that Quad used in some of their vintage gear was usually of pretty poor quality (though the BHC psu caps in the 606 were excellent). Simply refreshing all electrolytic caps with some of the best stuff available today (i.e. Panasonic FM/FC, Nichicon KZ, Rubycon ZL for example) brings a surprising leap in sound quality.

I just inherited a 1989-era Quad 34/FM4/606 system and the difference before/after capping was pretty astonishing to be honest. Again using some good quality modern cables - no need to go insane with anything esoteric - makes a difference too from some of the cruddy original stuff some of these amps might be sold with.

Even the poor old Quad 34 - which often comes in for some unfair bashing - sounds pretty open and dynamic now, and that's keeping the original op-amps. No mods except refreshing the caps, and shorting out a few of the other caps which really aren't needed (full details can be gathered from the Dada electronics website, and their upgrade sheets). I actually already had an older Quad 34 which I went nuts with a few years back: replaced ALL op-amps with 'better' modern types (OPA227s and OPA627s), hand matching all resistors, replacing CMOS switches, new rectifier and double PSU capacitance... and you know what? The re-capped 'stock' Quad 34 actually sounds better to my ears... go figure!

Having built a Naim 180 'clone' and heard proper Naim gear too, I'd say that they're the better bet for rock and dance, but Quad is still the better all-rounder (and can still rock, just not quite as adrenalin fueled as a Naim!)

I'm sure once re-capped you'll be more than happy with this gear.

- John

prowla
10-12-09, 03:29 PM
I think of Quad as the pipe & slippers of hi-fi.

Radfordman
10-12-09, 03:44 PM
I think of Quad as the pipe & slippers of hi-fi.

Not unreasonable, but perhaps not the description of a good pair of ESL57's, they are very dynamic and fast (even with Quad amplifiers).

Robert
10-12-09, 04:20 PM
I blame this:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v637/zippy670/LyckligQUAD.jpg


Well for the pipe at least.

Zombie
11-12-09, 01:03 AM
With that wallpaper and carpet he doesn't need anything but tobacco in the pipe...

Zombie
11-12-09, 01:04 AM
Especially decapping or recapping the 44 gives an enormous leap forward...just begin with shorting the tants on the output...

tones
11-12-09, 01:05 AM
I think of Quad as the pipe & slippers of hi-fi.

Well, I have neither the pipe nor the slippers, but I do have lots of Quad (currently running 44, 303, 606, IIs and ESL-57s). It always struck me that the hi-fi business is very much a fashionable, in which components fall in and out of favour. Look at Garrard turntables - there was a time when you couldn't give the things away, now their reputation is stellar. Quad always struck me as equipment which gave enormous value for money - it made a joyous noise and was virtually bullet-proof. Even their much- (and in my view unfairly-)maligned pre-amps were fine. I have a 33, which I no longer use, but only because I have the 44.

Naim? I own a chrome bumper NAIT 2 and have occasionally tried Naim bits out of curiosity. They were fine, but I didn't hear these enormous differences that other folk hear. The two have much in common, well-made and good-sounding. Perhaps if I'd bought Naim first, things would have been different - and probably more expensive. Overall, I'm glad to have Quad.

graham55
11-12-09, 01:14 AM
I have one of those chairs and six of those speakers, all brought up to 21st century spec, of course!

Zombie
11-12-09, 01:17 AM
Didn't you upgrade the second chair?

Radfordman
11-12-09, 01:34 AM
I have seen that picture many times before, always noticed the single speaker, but only just noted the Stereo pipes!

Michael J
11-12-09, 01:44 AM
http://img191.imageshack.us/img191/1506/lyckligquad.jpg

Ahem. ;-)

graham55
11-12-09, 01:46 AM
Didn't you upgrade the second chair?

At the time my late mother purchased the chair, they also came as single mono units, so she only got one.

Mind you, if I had been a little bit older and had been offered that minx sitting nearer the camera as a companion listener, I would have gone for the matched stereo pair!

Incidentally, Robert's version of the photo was reversed, and Michael's is correct: look at the controls on the preamp and tuner - largest knob should be on the left. (And before anyone suggests that the largest knob is sitting in the chair, smoking the pipe, just don't!)

And I wonder how so much of the day goes and I get so little done.......

Martyn Miles
11-12-09, 02:36 AM
Quad versus Naim ? Surely it's 'horses for courses' ? I heard Naim at Westwood's in Oxford, when it was a top retail outlet. Sadly closed now... The fact I was friends with the Prop. and Nigel Pearson, who worked there, doesn't colour the following. I had opportunity to listen to both Naim & Quad, mainly Nait 3 ( I think it was ) and more expensive Naim gear , plus Quad 34/306. Also a 405 sometimes. I used my own CD player and CDs, plus some recordings I made myself. I'm involved in semi-prof. audio, using high quality mics. and Blumlein recording techniques. I listened to the Naim gear first and was impressed by the clarity & detail coming through with the normal commercial CDs. When using my own recordings I somehow missed something, but couldn't quite explain why. OK, time for a coffee and set up the Quad gear. Again, as with the Naim, lovely clarity and detail, but added (?!) warmth. Then my own recordings. Ah, now things become clearer. The ambience of the recording space, a church, came through. Checking back using the Naim gear I realised I could hear the ambience, but it was covered up somehow. To my ears, which had been at the recording, couldn't connect to the recording using the Naim gear. With the Quad equipment I could. My conclusion was that I preferred the Quad, for my own listening. I can understand why people love Naim gear. Listening to my well known commercial CDs was great and I expect many people feel exactly the same. In conclusion it's what people choose to use to listen to their own music. To listen to my own recordings I liked the Quad gear... Martyn Miles .

Basil
11-12-09, 03:09 AM
(And before anyone suggests that the largest knob is sitting in the chair, smoking the pipe, just don't!)

Never mind that, what is his wife up to?

graham55
11-12-09, 03:57 AM
Never mind that, what is his wife up to?

Well, I assume that his wife is off visiting her sick mother, which has given our pipe smoking hero the chance to invite his hot young mistress whom you see there to come round to listen to some beat combo on his fab new gear.

skito
11-12-09, 04:52 AM
Sounds like Quad have a healthy following on here! I'm really looking forward to hearing the stuff when i get back and have a few permutations between the 33, 303, 405 and some speakers i have. The 33 and 405 were both serviced by Quad quite recently and not sure about the 303. I'm zero capability at electronics having never actually seen a soldering iron and pulling a board from a Naim pre-amp felt like high science - if i wasn't scared of killing myself or wrecking them i would try a re-cap or tweak if needed. I've seen the Dada and Net sites and a few others and know that Quad will carry out work as well so if anything sounds too jaded i'll consider the options - some look like complete rebuilds using everything new. Just need some of that groovy wallpaper, the standard lamp next and I'm sorted.

Radfordman
11-12-09, 05:02 AM
This picture gives one impression of Quad

http://img191.imageshack.us/img191/1506/lyckligquad.jpg

But on the other hand one has to remember that Pink Floyd used Quad 303's

skito
11-12-09, 05:23 AM
i agree with you

honmanm
11-12-09, 05:50 AM
There are quite a lot of PFM members into modding Naim gear, and thinking of the changes in a friend's Naim system it has sounded ever more Quad like.

Similarly getting old Quad gear properly serviced and/or upgraded improves the areas where it is weak compared to Naim.

One thing to bear in mind with the 303, it is designed for harmonious coexistence with ESL57s - it cannot damage the ESLs, and it doesn't mind having its outputs short circuited. Some of those design decisions are not ideal for other speaker types, which is where the likes of Net Audio come in.

I tend to think of Quad as the Porsche of the hi-fi world - they tended to plough their own furrow regardless of fashion or convention, every design decision has its own (sometimes freaky) logic, the engineering and after-sales support is second to none especially when it comes to vintage products. Not necessarily the last word in performance, of course.

Martyn Miles
11-12-09, 06:13 AM
This picture gives one impression of Quad

http://img191.imageshack.us/img191/1506/lyckligquad.jpg

But on the other hand one has to remember that Pink Floyd used Quad 303s

The 405 was (is?) used in recording studios to drive the monitor speakers. A recording studio; the place where music is made, and mixed by engineers using what they consider good kit. Like Quad amps...

Analog addict
11-12-09, 06:51 AM
When replacing my old Sansui receiver, back in the early 80s, I was stuck between Quad and what turned out to be my eventual purchase, an A&R A60. I would have bought Quad 405s & pre-amp, but the budget holder didn't like the looks:(

Nowadays I've got three 405s that I've modded, plus a 405 clone (handbuilt by a Siemens apprentice), modded by myself to eliminate transformer hum. I use these as power amps for my mobile disco (yes I know it's akin to heresy) and they drive my two sets of Eminence loaded speakers very well (I've had many comments about how well my rig sounds). I also run one into my workshop speakers (upgraded Monitor Audio Monitor 1s) and with the TL 071 updates and re-capping it sounds sweet, with a surprisingly low noise floor. I've only ever heard one Linn, Naim amps & Naim speakers system back in the late 70s and it wasn't for me.

Robert
11-12-09, 11:45 AM
Well, I have neither the pipe nor the slippers, but I do have lots of Quad (currently running 44, 303, 606, IIs and ESL-57s). It always struck me that the hi-fi business is very much a fashionable, in which components fall in and out of favour. Look at Garrard turntables - there was a time when you couldn't give the things away, now their reputation is stellar. Quad always struck me as equipment which gave enormous value for money - it made a joyous noise and was virtually bullet-proof. Even their much- (and in my view unfairly-)maligned pre-amps were fine. I have a 33, which I no longer use, but only because I have the 44.

Naim? I own a chrome bumper NAIT 2 and have occasionally tried Naim bits out of curiosity. They were fine, but I didn't hear these enormous differences that other folk hear. The two have much in common, well-made and good-sounding. Perhaps if I'd bought Naim first, things would have been different - and probably more expensive. Overall, I'm glad to have Quad.

Agree 100% with that.

The pre amps are fine if working properly. Some will be older than their users by now so benefit from a service.

My collection is getting there - 33,34,FM4,306,405-2,ESLs.

tones
11-12-09, 12:20 PM
Net [Audio]

A vote here for Dave Pritchard and Net Audio. My 303 finally rolled over and died after 28 years' faithful service. So I packed it off to Net Audio for the full treatment, including that nice new faceplate, and it came back rejuvenated and ready for the next 28.

skito
12-12-09, 01:16 AM
Excuse me if this is a bit stupid, but when 405 (1) s are serviced these days by Quad or Net Audio say do they end up more or less being the same as a 405-2 or is that a different kettle of fish altogether?

Blurboy
12-12-09, 05:44 AM
Quad and Naim have totally different sounds and I would say are aimed at totally different markets with both giving a very enjoyable sound but in a totally different way. My first proper introduction was with the 33/303 combo with Rogers LS1 speakers. It gave a wonderful warm sound but very un-dynamic. I then went down the 42/110 route and found the Naim detailed and dynamic with a much better tempo and I found I was enjoying the music far far more. I wouldn't say the Quad was muddled but definitely nowhere near as detailed as the Naim combo, it's a softer more "gentlemanly" sound and one I found not as enjoyable.
The build quality of both are superb and I can see why both enjoy a healthy following especially as they can be tweaked and more so with the Naim's upgraded along a very defined path. I would happily live with both in the sense that it's like owning certain cars. One will make your senses tingle when driving it whereas the other will happily get you from A to B. Me - I like the one that makes me feel alive - hence my liking for Naim's amps.

Mr Tibbs
12-12-09, 07:03 AM
Agree 100% with that.

The pre amps are fine if working properly. Some will be older than their users by now so benefit from a service.

My collection is getting there - 33,34,FM4,306,405-2,ESLs.

Rob,

When you said you had the Quad 34 'in circuit' for some of your nice needle drops, just how much of it actually was 'in circuit'?

I mean, did you take the output from the tape-out, or did you take it from the main output (thus including all of the pre-amp circuitry, and not just a phono stage and tape-out buffer).

Mr Tibbs

<still trying to figure out where I went wrong with both the (new) 33 & 34 pre's I briefly owned>

Robert
12-12-09, 01:38 PM
Rob,

When you said you had the Quad 34 'in circuit' for some of your nice needle drops, just how much of it actually was 'in circuit'?

I mean, did you take the output from the tape-out, or did you take it from the main output (thus including all of the pre-amp circuitry, and not just a phono stage and tape-out buffer).

Mr Tibbs

<still trying to figure out where I went wrong with both the (new) 33 & 34 pre's I briefly owned>

Hi Mr T,

Tape outs only. Not compared that to a full signal path recording.
Sounds perfectly fine though in normal use, ie I can't find anything negative to comment on.

The 34 and 44 went through several versions and mine is very late (serviced), so perhaps the early ones were less good.

Mr Tibbs
13-12-09, 02:14 AM
Hi Mr T,

Tape outs only. Not compared that to a full signal path recording.
Sounds perfectly fine though in normal use, ie I can't find anything negative to comment on.

The 34 and 44 went through several versions and mine is very late (serviced), so perhaps the early ones were less good.

Interesting. The 34 I had was one of the first off the line, so you might have a point there. OTOH, I'd like to hear for myself the result of a needle-drop taken from both the tape-out and the main-out of a later 34.

You could always 'blind-test' me with a pair of WAVs ;)

Mr Tibbs

honmanm
13-12-09, 04:48 AM
My first proper introduction was with the 33/303 combo with Rogers LS1 speakers. It gave a wonderful warm sound but very un-dynamic.

That could well have been due to old electrolytic caps (though apparently even when serviced the 33 cannot be used in the same sentence as "dynamic").

The 303 is pretty good as long as it had been serviced and is not used with a 33 - I wonder what would result from using a Naim pre and Quad power amp, or vice-versa?

Robert
13-12-09, 06:07 AM
Interesting. The 34 I had was one of the first off the line, so you might have a point there. OTOH, I'd like to hear for myself the result of a needle-drop taken from both the tape-out and the main-out of a later 34.

You could always 'blind-test' me with a pair of WAVs ;)

Mr Tibbs

I'll do that for you at some point over the next few weeks.

Be interested in the result myself.

Blurboy
13-12-09, 09:50 AM
My 33/303 combo was brand new so no old caps due to age. I bought both amps, a new Thorens TD166 with arm and cart for the sum of 300 complete with cables and fitting of the cart. Bit of a bargain really.

skito
13-12-09, 10:35 AM
Blurboy, did i tell you i fired an M1 Carbine and an M1 Garrand in the same afternoon - my ears were ringing with bells after!

Blurboy
13-12-09, 11:19 AM
Skito - I used to compete in Long Range Pistol shooting where the pistol was a 7mm Magnum Remington rifle cartridge!!!! The recoil made your body shudder. I do wonder what it did to my hearing!!! I always used ear protection so hopefully my ears are just about ok. I always laugh when I see tv programmes where people shoot guns inside rooms and don't even flinch. Trust me - you fire something like a .357 Magnum without ear protection in an enclosed space and you WILL FLINCH!

skito
13-12-09, 11:34 AM
Magnum...Clint Eastwood...quality marksman - though not sure if he had a gun in 'Play Misty for me.' Generally well armed for his movies which was very wise and possibly in with the armoury people behind the directors back so he could pull surprises on set!

Mr Tibbs
13-12-09, 01:44 PM
I'll do that for you at some point over the next few weeks.

Be interested in the result myself.

Cool :)

Mr Tibbs

Harry1212
13-12-09, 02:21 PM
Just send EITHER naim or QualityUnitAudioDomestic back for a FACTORY service.

OK?

Bisoux, HarryBS xx

stevec67
13-12-09, 02:45 PM
I just prepared a reply and lost it! I can't type it again with an injured hand. Skito, if you want an answer to your questions and quad advice let me know and i'll send you my uk phone no. as i can't type very well right now.:(

skito
14-12-09, 12:35 PM
I just prepared a reply and lost it! I can't type it again with an injured hand. Skito, if you want an answer to your questions and quad advice let me know and i'll send you my uk phone no. as i can't type very well right now.:(

Hi Steve,

Bad at the best of times doing that, so won't guess the language with a knackered hand.

A really great offer and very much appreciated - i just sent you my first pm so let me know here when you get it as not sure how that works. Look forward to chatting with you after Indochine or wherever!

Skito

skyebridge
12-01-10, 03:21 PM
it is interesting that this thread compares the 'best' of Quad pre/power with the 'least' of Naim.

i had a 'loan' of a Quad 33/303 setup for a period in the late-60's early-70's, long before i discovered Naim. the pre-amp was good but the power amp was very flabby.

neither could hold a candle to comparable Leak pre/power combos of the same era.

i seem to recall that the Quad FM tuner was better than the Leak, but i'm not absolutely sure. i had a Leak Sterofetic tuner, and it was very good indeed.

sadly, Leak was taken over by Rank, and that was the end of that.

i spent quite a few years in america and canada, and had Yamaha, Luxman, Crown, Lexicon, AR, Stax and other equipment - some of which was very good.

i subsequently revisited Quad 405's etc, but by that stage Cyrus was coming on the scene, and i don't think any bit of kit produced by Quad cin the 1080's and after can survive side-by-side comparison wiith Cyrus kit.

i discovered Naim late, in the later-80's. a second hand hi-fi shop in notting hill gate was getting rid of three Nap-135's for 100 each! and a repair shop in oxford had a Nac-12s, a pre-amp power supply, and a Hi-cap.

as i had a real interest and a enough spare cash at that stage i also bought second-hand AMC, Lexicon, Sony and other equipment - whatever was going through the dealers at good prices. i had AR, B&W, and KEF speakers, until i discovered Ruark - the finest sounding british-made speakers of 1980-2000, period.

anyway, coming back to Naim, i bought a 42.5 (mellow, but not exact), 60 (OK), 32.5 (excellent), 72 (superb - with a Hi-cap nothing ever made by Quad comes close), 82 and then 52. i still have my Nac-12s (modified by Naim to run from a Hi-cap), which, powered through a Supercap, is in the same bracket as a Nac-52. this is not to say a Nac-12 is as good as a Nac-52 - just that it will knock the pants off just about anything else.

so, thumbs down for Quad (except for the electrostatic speakers, which treated well are superb). thumbs up for Naim.

the 'worst' Naim pre-amps IMHO are the Nac-42, 42.5 and 60 - but they still compare favourably with the 'best' that Quad has ever made.