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Old 07-05-12, 06:41 PM
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I assume that's your last contribution to the thread? : - )
Yes, my last words on this thread.

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Old 07-05-12, 07:12 PM
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Old 07-05-12, 08:00 PM
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I vowed (to myself) to not get engaged in this type of thread in the Audio forum, and to only reside in the DIY forum, however...

Guys, get yourselves top notch vinyl and digital (not CD necessariily) setups, and the difference between the two formats is surprisingly small, swamped by mastering differences.

I can happily listen to either now.

Cheers!
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Old 07-05-12, 08:16 PM
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Martin,

Of course, but when an unqualified comment* is stated as indisputable fact the thread needs to be Trekked.

Joe

* Mastering very much is the wildcard, as you noted.

P.S. Oops, I posted some words. Off for a right proper flounce.
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Old 07-05-12, 08:27 PM
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ok , this is really it.

you do realize that there is a digital delay line in every vinyl production, and has been for a long, long time.


so..no.

http://wiki.hydrogenaudio.org/index....e=Myths_(Vinyl)
"There is currently no text in this page. You can search for this page title in other pages, or search the related logs."

Although you're obviously referring to the Neumann lathes that use an analog preview and then a digital delay to the cutter head. Saying that "every vinyl production" has been subjected to this is an exaggeration. Especially since many of us have vinyl collections which pre-date the Neumann lathe (and pre-date you as well) by decades.
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Old 07-05-12, 09:51 PM
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Martin,

Of course, but when an unqualified comment* is stated as indisputable fact the thread needs to be Trekked.

Joe

* Mastering very much is the wildcard, as you noted.

P.S. Oops, I posted some words. Off for a right proper flounce.

Joe,

Enjoy the flouncing, are you sure though that it's legal in your Province

Thread crapping, did you ever try different output tubes in your Stingray? - I'm buying a spare set of tubes for the time when everyone sees the thermionic light and they get rare. Picked up a matches set of UK Mullards for the input tubes but Mullards are are too spendy for the 8x output ones. Been looking at NOS Russian ones like the original Manley sourced ones, but gold grid gold pin versions.

TTFN
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Old 07-05-12, 10:06 PM
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Martin,

No, I'm still running the original tubes, though coincidentally I was thinking of ordering a complete retube from Manley. Are the original Russian EL84s no longer available?

Joe
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Old 07-05-12, 10:17 PM
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"There is currently no text in this page. You can search for this page title in other pages, or search the related logs."

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odd. cant link from here. anyway, it is the hydrogen audio vinyl myths page.

ok, *the vast majority* use a digital delay line since the 80s. there are some with analog look ahead, but they arent common..exception rather than the rule...and even without that. you still have the fact that the overwhelming majority of music is produced in the digital domain. that is undeniable. Pro Tools is the defacto standard. not Analog tape machines, which are mostly the province of boutique studios.


you can brush up on this stuff here

http://lathetrolls.phpbbweb.com/lathetrolls.html
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Old 07-05-12, 10:57 PM
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Martin,

No, I'm still running the original tubes, though coincidentally I was thinking of ordering a complete retube from Manley. Are the original Russian EL84s no longer available?

Joe
Hi Joe,

AFAIK they're still available, just wondering if there are any different options that are not too pricey.

Cheers
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Old 07-05-12, 11:41 PM
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Martin,

No, I'm still running the original tubes, though coincidentally I was thinking of ordering a complete retube from Manley. Are the original Russian EL84s no longer available?

Joe
The Russian EL84s are available, get the EL84M, much better. Plenty on
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Old 07-05-12, 11:53 PM
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fixt

odd. cant link from here. anyway, it is the hydrogen audio vinyl myths page.

ok, *the vast majority* use a digital delay line since the 80s. there are some with analog look ahead, but they arent common..exception rather than the rule...and even without that. you still have the fact that the overwhelming majority of music is produced in the digital domain. that is undeniable. Pro Tools is the defacto standard. not Analog tape machines, which are mostly the province of boutique studios.


you can brush up on this stuff here

http://lathetrolls.phpbbweb.com/lathetrolls.html
Are you still here?
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Old 08-05-12, 12:43 AM
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im not doubting that it sounds great to you..

but it isn't high fidelity. theres a standard for that/parameters.

end of.

and with that, I bow out of this thread.
I win :-)
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Old 08-05-12, 12:44 AM
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Nic, I seem to remember that he also had a bit of a thing against large horns wanting to take up too much space...

I never realised that they had launched any of the Marleys' joints into orbit but it makes sense when you think about it.


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Old 08-05-12, 01:14 AM
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I win :-)
im not trying to "win"

just discuss, and hopefully help educate some new folks.

and learn myself..and I have. i try to learn something new every day.

guys like Robert and PaulR, Serge, Simon(though I obviously dont agree with his views on vinyl) , etc have all taught me things.
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Old 08-05-12, 01:16 AM
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im not trying to "win"

just discuss, and hopefully help educate some new folks.

and learn myself..and I have. i try to learn something new every day.

guys like Robert and PaulR, Serge, Simon(though I obviously dont agree with his views on vinyl) , etc have all taught me things.
It's not really discussing if you state "facts", "end of" and then flounce out :-)

Vinyl can sound great, of that there is no debate. None.
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