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Old 18-07-17, 06:54 PM
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Hicap.

It will make a bigger difference than the NAPSC.
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Old 18-07-17, 11:31 PM
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Except that the 82 really needs two matched Hicaps to shine. Been there; done that. It's a slippery slope.
Been there myself and upgraded from 102 to 82 and at today's second hand pricing it's a no brainer, but you are correct without restraint you an go down the slop of upgrading. Saying that end goal for the 82 is a supercap and olive units can be had for less than a grand so a future option.

As it stands for the OP the 82 will be a nice match for the 180.
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Old 19-07-17, 12:35 AM
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However, at the moment he can play music on the 102 and 180. If he buys the 82 he will have to buy a HiCap too just to play music. Still recommended, but not a straightforward decision.
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Old 19-07-17, 01:44 AM
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However, at the moment he can play music on the 102 and 180. If he buys the 82 he will have to buy a HiCap too just to play music. Still recommended, but not a straightforward decision.
The 82 can be powered directly from the 180, just like the 102 can...
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Old 19-07-17, 01:45 AM
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Oops. Yep mistake. Knickers in a twist!
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Old 19-07-17, 01:49 AM
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Having owned all of the suggestions, I would go napsc and leave it like that. Always been a big fan of the 102. If you go 82, you'll also want 2 HiCaps or a SuperCap, then a 250, then...
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Old 19-07-17, 03:10 AM
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Having owned all of the suggestions, I would go napsc and leave it like that. Always been a big fan of the 102. If you go 82, you'll also want 2 HiCaps or a SuperCap, then a 250, then...
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Old 19-07-17, 05:11 AM
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Having owned all of the suggestions, I would go napsc and leave it like that. Always been a big fan of the 102. If you go 82, you'll also want 2 HiCaps or a SuperCap, then a 250, then...
And it's been well documented here that it's a simple matter of replacing a socket and adding 3 wires and then the 102 can be powered from 2 hicaps like the 82 was...
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Old 19-07-17, 06:00 AM
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And it's been well documented here that it's a simple matter of replacing a socket and adding 3 wires and then the 102 can be powered from 2 hicaps like the 82 was...
Oh c'mon, don't tell me things like that!
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Old 19-07-17, 06:49 AM
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When my 52 was being serviced I employed a loaner 102/NAPSC. I slotted it into the 6-pack DBL system trying it both with and without the NAPSC and alternating between a Hi and Supercap-since I had access to both.

Without the NAPSC the 102/Hicap was quite insipid and dreary. The NAPSC gave it a cleaner, quieter and more informative presentation, but still sounded a bit 'dark' subjectively. Replacing the Hicap with the Supercap really opened up the top and and imparted more dynamic swing, and made me miss the 52 far less than the other iterations.

Having owned the 82 for some time and comparing it with the same 52, I would hesitate to say that the 82 offers a serious upgrade over the 102. In a way I always considered it the worst VFM preamp-it was priced too closely to the 52 (especially when used with a Supercap-which is what I did), but was much closer to the far cheaper 102 in performance.
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Old 23-07-17, 02:37 AM
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Resistance is futile
hahaaaa, exactly!

Adding a NAPSC is the cheap option, and to be honest I adore my current set-up, so adding a bit more clarity with the NAPSC is an exciting prospect.

...plenty of slippery slope to slide down in the years ahead I'm sure ;-)
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Old 23-07-17, 02:39 AM
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Thanks everyone. Lots of good advice.

My thoughts are that I'll go for a NAPSC in the short term, then upgrade the TT to an RP3 minimum, then add a Hicap.

The only deviation might be if a Dual Teddy Cap turns up on here for a good price, then I might jump straight to that as advised by Tony Lockhart....it seems a possibly smart option...thoughts?
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Old 23-07-17, 02:43 AM
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@ Hoolio above, that makes a lot of sense.
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Old 23-07-17, 04:02 AM
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For the NAC102 you can use a TeddyCapPlus which has one HiCap output and one Napsc output. It was designed for the NAC102/202

https://www.teddypardo.com/powersupp...dycapplus.html
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Old 24-07-17, 12:01 AM
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oh yes, got confused from reading other posts about PSUs, thanks Teddy
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