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Old 13-02-17, 02:51 PM
Tim Jones Tim Jones is offline
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To my eyes that puts it right in the middle of the blue where you want it; 20g mass, 10-12cu = around 10Hz.
Quite right, my eyes are not what they were...

At any rate, as a coda to this thread, I might get a dem of an Urushi when my SME is back from its service...
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Old 14-02-17, 04:02 AM
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Tim, the e.m. of the Five is 11g, not 10, not that this affects too much. I've had both a Black Goldline and my current Urushi in a Five. In fact, the Vermillion was run in on the Five. I was perfectly happy, but there's no doubt that it sounded much better when I got 12" arms (with greater e.m.), though admittedly the deck changed from suspended to mass deck as well, muddying the comparative waters a little.
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Old 17-02-17, 03:00 AM
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Buses eh? You wait for hours and three come at once

Still enjoying those lovely speakers, Frank?
Enjoying the speakers and my TT!
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Old 17-02-17, 03:09 AM
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You should, it's a cracker!
Guess what just arrived?

Yes a Miyajima Madake. Should make for some fun over the weekend.

Should go pretty well in my Ikeda IT345-CR1 just as the Shilabe and Kansui did before it.
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Old 17-02-17, 03:21 AM
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Very nice
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Old 17-02-17, 03:51 AM
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Guess what just arrived?

Yes a Miyajima Madake.
I don't see myself as an envious person, but right now...

Enjoy it Tom; look forward to the report.
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Old 17-02-17, 06:51 AM
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My curiosity piqued by this thread I read the bumph on the web-site.
Fascinating.
The coil design does indeed address one of the major weaknesses of conventional cartridges, and he uses a thin-walled tube for a cantilever formed such that the contact point of the stylus is near the centerline of the cantilever minimising torsional input.
As a piece of engineering these cartridges make more sense than almost any I have seen.
I find myself genuinely excited to read information about a cartridge that isn't the pure BS we get so often nowadays.
Shouldn't have read it, I really don't need another cartridge...
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Old 17-02-17, 07:22 AM
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Guess what just arrived?

Yes a Miyajima Madake. Should make for some fun over the weekend.

Should go pretty well in my Ikeda IT345-CR1 just as the Shilabe and Kansui did before it.
I'm bamboo zled ! 1500 above the Shilabe (or is it Kansui?). Rarefied territory, Tom. I'd be interested, as I'm sure others will be, in the improvements wrought by this cantilever. What is the e.m. of your Ikeda arm?
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Old 17-02-17, 09:22 AM
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I had a Madake here last year and directly compared it to an Ortofon A95 and a Transfiguration Proteus. I produced a tape at 15ips on my Studer (with levels matched ) playing 3 identical tracks with each cartridge so you can here all three cartridge together in quick succession without stopping to change cartridges.
I have also done blind listening tests with customers to see which one is preferred without them knowing what cartridge is being played. A very interesting test this one because it threw most people and had some very interesting an uncanny outcomes...
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Old 17-02-17, 11:42 AM
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As it's a moving coil story can we please move on to the next chapter, Graham?. Presumably your stage etc. but which deck and arm.......and outcome?
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Old 17-02-17, 11:41 PM
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As it's a moving coil story can we please move on to the next chapter, Graham?. Presumably your stage etc. but which deck and arm.......and outcome?
Happy to discuss over the phone but I don't have time to document this at present. Happy to demo the tape, or people can demo the Proteus here which sort of gives a bit of the game away...

Tests were done on a TW Raven Limited with TW 10.5 tonearm. The Tape was made on a Studer 810 with ATR mag tape.
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Old 18-02-17, 02:11 AM
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Graham, If you were using a 14g arm, doesn't that deny a level playing field, considering what you said earlier in this thread about the neccessity of using a heavy arm with a Miyajima?
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Old 18-02-17, 02:35 AM
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Graham, If you were using a 14g arm, doesn't that deny a level playing field, considering what you said earlier in this thread about the neccessity of using a heavy arm with a Miyajima?
Absoloootely correct, methinks.

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Old 18-02-17, 03:36 AM
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This caveat did cross my mind, but I don't know the arm requirements of the Proteus and A90. I have read, though of the dubious compatibility of Koetsus (generally? no idea.) and the TW arm.

How is it possible to have a completely 'balanced' comparison between disparate pieces of the whole, each ideally requiring slightly different parameters? G.T.'s comparison, quite possibly unbiased beforehand, is about as good as one can get, surely, without a massive investment in time and equipment. I wonder how many dealers would offer that, even with a sale at the end?

Having heard a Shilabe and owning a Proteus (both into my amplification etc.), the difference between presentations might well evince an immediate preference, but not necessarily a longer term appreciation.
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Old 18-02-17, 06:14 AM
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As it's a moving coil story can we please move on....
Been some decades since I had the orginal Grado Signature, a true contender to MC cartridges of that vintage.

The best cartridge I've ever heard was propably a Decca

Above cartridges along with other good non MC design should hopefully get deserved attention

The EMT, Linn Krystal and Apheta/Aphelion don't get much mention either.

Would love to hear how many % wise, that preferred the AT95 in Grahams tape contest.
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