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Old 16-02-17, 04:57 PM
linnfomaniac83 linnfomaniac83 is offline
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Michael Fremer at Rega.

I don't know if anyone else has seen this but Michael Fremer has been at Rega and has made a series of four videos (only three uploaded as of yet). This is probably the most in depth Rega factory tour yet, interesting stuff!

First part is here, https://youtu.be/h7elN5KCPvU
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Old 16-02-17, 05:16 PM
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Have always liked Rega. Nice folks. And that's a lovely factory and very impressive from any angle. Thanks for the link.
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Old 17-02-17, 02:51 AM
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Much more detailed than the WHF one, if you don't mind the hand-held camera/fly-on-the-wall thing. There are 4 parts, nearly 2 hours in total.
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Old 17-02-17, 03:56 AM
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Yes, it's remarkably transparent, they hide nothing. Definitely the most comprehensive factory tour to date.
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Old 17-02-17, 06:24 AM
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Though I'm slightly going off Mr Fremer..... RG has the good grace to ignore his more irritating comments.
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Old 17-02-17, 06:42 AM
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Though I'm slightly going off Mr Fremer..... RG has the good grace to ignore his more irritating comments.
Fremer does have a daft/awkward sense of humour but I think he means well. Roy Gandy is a very likeable character. His staff seem happy and comfortable when he's around and that's always a good sign. It's also great to see a busy factory in the UK. He should be very proud.
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Old 17-02-17, 08:17 AM
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I found it interesting that he's been vindicated about claiming that most regas run fast. The one in the video did....and their chart of acceptible speed tolerance favors fast over slow for every model. I have to say I don't understand why they don't want greater speed accuracy which is acheivable.

NOTE: I love rega as a company, their products, their philosophy, their nature. IT's just an interesting side point about one aspect of the tables.
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Old 17-02-17, 09:31 AM
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I found it interesting that he's been vindicated about claiming that most regas run fast. The one in the video did....and their chart of acceptible speed tolerance favors fast over slow for every model. I have to say I don't understand why they don't want greater speed accuracy which is acheivable.

NOTE: I love rega as a company, their products, their philosophy, their nature. IT's just an interesting side point about one aspect of the tables.
I get the impression that controlling vibration and maximising bearing quality is their highest priority, speed accuracy comes second. I'm not sure about the RP6/8/10 but the P25/5/7/9 models had adjustable motor positioning/belt tensioning which allows you to trim the speed. I have a well fettled P5 and whilst I don't have the tools to measure wow and flutter, I can't detect it. It runs at as close to 33.3 as I can measure.

I do respect the fact that they are open about it.
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Old 17-02-17, 09:42 AM
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Jeff,

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I have to say I don't understand why they don't want greater speed accuracy which is acheivable.
Regas run slightly fast so you can get a bit more LP listening in on any given night. It's one of the many reasons why analogue is better than digital.

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Old 17-02-17, 09:51 AM
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Regas run slightly fast so you can get a bit more LP listening in on any given night. It's one of the many reasons why analogue is better than digital.
I have to disagree. If you want a crude speedup like that, any simple sample rate converter can do that, but in the digital domain you can use formant and phase vocoding to play the music faster without changing the tempo. Try that with analog!

OK, formant & phase vocoding has a dark side - autotune.
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Old 17-02-17, 10:09 AM
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Julf,

I'm going to have to disagree here. Chipmunk voice, irritating as it is, is preferable to autotune. Listen to Cher's "I believe" if you don't believe me.

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Old 17-02-17, 10:19 AM
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Fremer does have a daft/awkward sense of humour...
It's the funny voices that irritate me, After saying that, there's more good than bad in him.

I've never owned a Rega product, but it seems to be a good company. I hadn't realised they make the arm lifts for Linn.
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Old 17-02-17, 10:26 AM
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It's the funny voices that irritate me, After saying that, there's more good than bad in him.

I've never owned a Rega product, but it seems to be a good company. I hadn't realised they make the arm lifts for Linn.
Lots of people use the Rega arm lift, it's an inexpensive, reliable and smooth operating part and Rega have always been happy to supply components to other manufacturers. Linn have them painted black so it's not obvious, they also used to use a different lever on them but use the standard Rega lever lever now too.
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Old 17-02-17, 10:31 AM
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I've sold hundreds of Rega cueing devices to other arm manufacturers.
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Old 17-02-17, 12:44 PM
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I get the impression that controlling vibration and maximising bearing quality is their highest priority, speed accuracy comes second. I'm not sure about the RP6/8/10 but the P25/5/7/9 models had adjustable motor positioning/belt tensioning which allows you to trim the speed. I have a well fettled P5 and whilst I don't have the tools to measure wow and flutter, I can't detect it. It runs at as close to 33.3 as I can measure.

I do respect the fact that they are open about it.
There's no question it's not their priority, and as you've correctly asserted above, other factors are. These days, however, it's easier to improve speed accuracy and stability than it was. They go to the trouble of designing this ultra accurate machine to *measure* the speed....so why not just try and improve this down the line? That's only my point. They're fantastic tables. The lot of them. Top to bottom. No argument on that point. If I couldn't have an LP12, I'd have a Rega. It just seems that it's an addressable area for them and couldn't, in anyway, hurt.

Look Roy admits in the video he didn't build a MC for many years because he just didn't get the idea in his head clearly why it would/could work. Now he is. Maybe he just needs to come around to prioritizing speed stability. Hell, next thing you know he'll give a shit about VTA and Azimuth.
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