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Old 14-02-17, 09:43 AM
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There is a custom power only Snaic 5 that Witch Hat will make upon request...let's see what David has to say about his sample once he has tried it out on the 52 and/or the NAT01.
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Old 14-02-17, 12:35 PM
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We don't advertise the power only one as it only does what the Naim version does and doesn't have our split signal/power construction, and I do point this out to anyone who wants one where it carries power only. But we use a good quality wire and they seem to do a good job, and no-one has sent one back still so I guess we're doing something right.
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Old 14-02-17, 01:14 PM
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We don't advertise the power only one as it only does what the Naim version does and doesn't have our split signal/power construction, and I do point this out to anyone who wants one where it carries power only. But we use a good quality wire and they seem to do a good job, and no-one has sent one back still so I guess we're doing something right.
MJS (?Mark) - I received my power only snaic as well as burndy today.
The snaic connects my 01 to its PS and the burndy is for my 52/supercap.
I did not order a snaic for the 52/super as I was told by one of your staff that since the burndy carries power that replacing the standard naim snaic would not be worthwhile upgrade- is this correct ? Correct me if I am wrong but a power only snaic would not work between 52/super since burndy carries power.
Please clarify this.
Re how it sounds- I literally just hooked up the snaic and burndy (at same time- I have no patience!). Sounds good but I need to let it settle in and do some serious listening later tonite after I take out my wife for a nice Valentine's Day dinner. David
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Old 14-02-17, 02:04 PM
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The 52s Snaic carries 15V DC to the head unit that does the front panel lights. ..the logic chips and possibly the switching relays too. The 52s Burndy carries multiple 24V DC for all the audio circuitry including buffers and dedicated rails for the powered input and phono cards if present. But for some reason improving the seemingly non critical Snaic has quite a sonic benefit . Maybe because it has lower DCR than the Naim version or maybe better shielding. ..but compared to the gains the reasons are unimportant.

Remember...the POTS8 on the 52/82 sounded much better than previous versions-and that purely involved the front panel circuitry-the reason being the previous POTS versions used noisy IC's while the POTS8 used lower noise discrete devices. So, noise entering from the front panel voltages is obviously intrusive, and it may a be for this reason why the better Snaic5 are....better. Having personally experienced the POTS8 upgrade on the 52, this was a non-trivial improvement too.
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Old 16-02-17, 07:26 AM
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Ron – in the light of all your experimentation and experience, I’m considering taking a punt on one of these power only SNAICs to try with the connections mentioned in my previous post. I won’t be paying anything like 120 though – it would need to be much less. If I do give it a try, I’ll post results on a new thread. Cheers.
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Old 16-02-17, 06:49 PM
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Another happy camper.
Just took delivery of the cable to go between 272 and nap 250 dr.
Far greater clarity especially in the treble and detail. Have some Elvis dsd tracks - music loving but zero interest in hifi wife said "he sounds more real, more in the room".
Is there a cable to go between my TP power supply and 272?
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Old 16-02-17, 07:02 PM
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Nicetone,
I am not sure if spending very much less than the 120UKP will be considered an upgrade. The Flashback cables are not as good as the standard Naim Snaics (but they are much much less spendy), and the Naim Snaics are merely OK, and a bit underwhelming for their price. I know TP makes a line of Snaics, and that may be worth trying out. But I myself would look at the Witch Hat and Chord line before looking anywhere else. I'm sure there may be a few other options, but there is no guarantee that they are better than the standard Naim ones.

AV Options supply their Snaics fully cryo treated, which ARE better than the standard Naim ones-and at the same price too. But in the US, thats over $300 per. The one person who has compared a cryo Naim Snaic vs the Witch Hat has preferred the latter.
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Old 17-02-17, 01:23 AM
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Another happy camper.
Just took delivery of the cable to go between 272 and nap 250 dr.
Far greater clarity especially in the treble and detail. Have some Elvis dsd tracks - music loving but zero interest in hifi wife said "he sounds more real, more in the room".
Is there a cable to go between my TP power supply and 272?
Cheers
Paul
We do a power only Burndy for XPS/equivalent power supplies, the HatPin11 but it doesn't carry a signal like the supercap version.
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Old 17-02-17, 05:29 AM
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We do a power only Burndy for XPS/equivalent power supplies, the HatPin11 but it doesn't carry a signal like the supercap version.
Please clarify- is it worth using Witch Hat snaic over standard Naim snaic between 52 and supercap. If so, is it standard snaic or power only snaic.
David
I have already purchased your burndy for my 52 /super and power only snaic for my 01/PS
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Old 17-02-17, 06:28 AM
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Ron - thanks for the thoughts.

I had been thinking that it was the omission of the superfluous audio runs for the SNAIC power only connections that would be key to any (possible) improvement. However, if it's down to perceived differences between cables, then I may give this a miss. I'll maybe mull it over a bit more, but I was looking to do this very much as a punt. I know that one can return cables if not satisfied, but I don't like to do that to the guys who supply them. Cheers anyway.
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Old 17-02-17, 08:19 AM
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Nicetone....the omission of the superfluous runs within a 'power-only' Snaic will significantly change its self inductance properties and give fewer 'antenna elements' to pick up radiated noise from the environment. It is no secret that the 'mono' runs of 250-type DIN4-XLR sound better than the stereo equivalent, although the actual wires within are identical. There's just fewer of them packed together. Early 135s came with interconnects that allowed stereo runs, but used just one channel. The later mono-only interconnects were rather better. Less can be more.
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Old 17-02-17, 01:46 PM
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OK, so wishing to dip my toe in... but where to start? System is fully olive (bayonet plugs all round).

1. CDX+XPS -> NAC
2. NAC -> HC
3. HC -> SC
4. SC -> SNAXO hmmm, we'll give this one a miss for the mo', it's a Burndy
5. SNAXO -> 250 times two

Thoughts anyone on where to start to get the "biggest bang per buck"?
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Old 18-02-17, 08:27 AM
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I compared the cryo Naim wires against WH cables - there's really no contest. I was quite surprised actually. The WH are so much more open and less restrictive. These are the best bang for the buck cables IMHO. I was rather disappointed in the Flashback cable that I heard.

Chris, I suggest all are worthwhile if WH can make them for you - just ask what they have and what can be custom-ordered. For me, the 4 pin snaic from supercap to the amp (200 in my case) was the biggest improvement.

I have power-only WH 5 pin snaic between the 252/super and 01/PS. I also have a WH burndy between the 252/super and a WH 4 pin snaic from super to 200. I'm now ordering XPS burndy as well plus a custom Y for an upcoming upgrade

As Ron mentioned, I also think a power-only snaic is the way to go. KISS ya know!

Arun
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Old 20-02-17, 02:54 PM
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WH did a great job repairing and servicing my old Naim CD2 player some months ago. Thanks for that, guys!
I was not aware that they also do the cable stuff. On their new website I saw that they also have so called S3 phono cable 'created to connect your source devices to your Naim preamp' (5 Pin DIN/2 Phono RCA plugs). Interesting! If I get this right this one should also work between my Naim CD player and my Densen amp? I suppose this is a normal (of course high quality) cable, that has nothing to do with the Naim related hatpin/signal power separation stuff mentioned in this thread?
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Old 21-02-17, 06:22 AM
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WH did a great job repairing and servicing my old Naim CD2 player some months ago. Thanks for that, guys!
I was not aware that they also do the cable stuff. On their new website I saw that they also have so called S3 phono cable 'created to connect your source devices to your Naim preamp' (5 Pin DIN/2 Phono RCA plugs). Interesting! If I get this right this one should also work between my Naim CD player and my Densen amp? I suppose this is a normal (of course high quality) cable, that has nothing to do with the Naim related hatpin/signal power separation stuff mentioned in this thread?
Yes, the source cable has nothing to do with the power leads we make. It uses a completely different cable made to our own spec (and very detailed and revealing if I do say so myself). 30 day money back guarantee if you don't like it.
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