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Old 14-02-17, 05:21 PM
Clay B Clay B is offline
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Focal/Naim were aquired by a partnership as an investment. The investment brings R&D money to the table and more stable funding for operations. However, inevitably, no stone is unturned to increase revenue and maximize return on investment. Not mom and pop shops anymore and has been said above, you don't have to buy.
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Old 14-02-17, 08:28 PM
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Focal/Naim were aquired by a partnership as an investment. The investment brings R&D money to the table and more stable funding for operations. However, inevitably, no stone is unturned to increase revenue and maximize return on investment. Not mom and pop shops anymore and has been said above, you don't have to buy.
Well said.

I think there is a tendency to substitute "cut costs" for "maximize return on investment," whether accurate or not.
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Old 15-02-17, 12:11 AM
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Of course there is free will to buy. But in the old days I trusted Naim that everything I bought was an upgrade. Now it seems to be focussed on ROI only and that' a shame. The Luminous chords were ridiculous, but this must be the king. They didn't even bother to put a Naim logo on the cord; it's just a stock-product. The profits must be huge. And lots of people will buy it because of a placebo-effect. For me Naim has lost all of its credibility.
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Old 15-02-17, 12:40 AM
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Old 15-02-17, 01:11 AM
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Of course there is free will to buy. But in the old days I trusted Naim that everything I bought was an upgrade. Now it seems to be focussed on ROI only and that' a shame. The Luminous chords were ridiculous, but this must be the king. They didn't even bother to put a Naim logo on the cord; it's just a stock-product. The profits must be huge. And lots of people will buy it because of a placebo-effect. For me Naim has lost all of its credibility.
It is touching that people trusted Naim. It is obvious to those of us who did not get smitten with Naim love
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Old 15-02-17, 01:56 AM
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Luminous chords; they sound fun, on which album and where can it be bought?
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Old 15-02-17, 02:50 AM
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I got banned on the naim forum for suggesting that a captive lead must be better.
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banned? should have been stoned!
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I hope you're attempting irony.
I think you've certainly achieved hyperbole.

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Old 15-02-17, 03:05 AM
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I got banned on the naim forum for suggesting that a captive lead must be better.
Can't believe you'ed get banned for that, IEC sockets are the devils work. You know what they say, 'there's non so blind as they who will not see'
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Old 15-02-17, 03:08 AM
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Old 15-02-17, 03:37 AM
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How is anything a rip off which you have free will not to buy?
One definition: "A ripoff (or rip-off) is a bad financial transaction. Usually it refers to an incident in which a person is overcharged for something, or receives goods or services not of the standard expected for the price. A ripoff is usually distinguished from a scam in that a scam involves wrongdoing such as fraud; a ripoff may be considered excessive, but not illegal."
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Old 15-02-17, 05:25 AM
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I got banned on the naim forum for suggesting that a captive lead must be better.
That's Naimies for you, they live in a complete world of their own.

However I have heard from a reputable source that you can improve a captive cable but cutting it, putting a female connection on and then using a better quality kettle lead. I doubt from one of these though.
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Old 15-02-17, 06:23 AM
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That's Naimies for you, they live in a complete world of their own.
IF the banning claim were at all credible.
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Old 15-02-17, 07:01 AM
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IF the banning claim were at all credible.
I'm sure it's very likely.
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Old 15-02-17, 08:01 AM
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I have two of them & in their defence, whilst they are 'only' a moulded IEC on a 0.75mm cable, the moulded plug is high quality & noticeably better than the run of the mill kettle lead stuff, the best I've seen TBH. The Naim 13a plug is an all plastic copy of the original PowerLine & only able to take 0.75mm cable (missed a trick there Naim, might sell a whole load more if it was able to fit chunky cable & was sold separately).
How do they sound ?? I used them to replace some good quality Supra LoRad, Martin Kaiser, MK ToughPlug cables on my Teddy PSU's, I don't detect any difference.

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Old 15-02-17, 08:34 AM
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I think you've certainly achieved hyperbole.
I was aiming for masonry...
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