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Old 20-03-17, 02:45 PM
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We can relax. We're in safe hands.

And Theresa has been preparing really hard... for her Vogue photo shoot. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...ars-Vogue.html

I imagine next week she'll get round to thinking what might happen to the country after she triggers Article 50.
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Old 20-03-17, 03:14 PM
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Meltdown? Armageddon, end of humanity?
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Old 20-03-17, 03:17 PM
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I'm joining the London march this Saturday,


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Gonna be riding your hobby horse?
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Old 20-03-17, 03:19 PM
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Also it's not really a Tory Brexit is it? More a UKIP forced Brexit.
Of course it is Tory-Brexit, that reckless entitled Bullingdon shit Cameron thought he could prevent losing MPs and seats to UKIP and win the general election by taking a massive gamble that he could also win a referendum. He lost and has as a result likely plunged the UK into a very dark place for a very long time. The whole thing was a hopelessly misguided election stunt. This will turn out for the Tory party what Iraq was to Labour, except probably a lot worse as the destruction will be at home and counted in jobs, wages and services, not thousands of miles away. The only bonus is it might eventually keep the Tories out of power for a very long time. The public opinion penny will eventually drop, just as it did with Iraq.
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Old 20-03-17, 03:27 PM
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Of course it is Tory-Brexit, that reckless entitled Bullingdon shit Cameron thought he could prevent losing MPs and seats to UKIP and win the general election by taking a massive gamble
That's what I said, UKIP forced it. The "Bullingdon shit" stuff is irrevevant really.

With a proper opposition this situation would never have occurred.
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Old 20-03-17, 03:40 PM
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Have to say as a sceptic I haven't read anything positive about Brexit. What puzzles me is that a Tory government got us out of the EU when it took us quite a long time and hard work to gain membership in the first place. Any leave arguments I've heard have all been to do with democracy, but now the excitement clearly seems to have fizzled out from this quarter. May'be if others leave, then the whole lot unravels, not as way out as it may sound. Anyway, I hope its not gonna be the catastrophe some are predicting. May'be a bit of wobble, a readjustment, and back to relative normality, who knows with all the red tape cut, UK business may thrive again!! I think not.
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Old 20-03-17, 03:47 PM
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https://heatst.com/world/theresa-may...ice-colleague/

What could possibly go wrong? Authoritarian, not so concerned with human rights, desperate to reduce immigration and in charge of Brexit.
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Old 20-03-17, 04:00 PM
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So Mick, as our resident Tory stooge and propagandist what are you doing to thwart or impede the reckless and almost certainly disastrous path your political party is taking this country on.

PS I'm resigned to the hard-Tory Brexit disaster. There is nothing I can do about it, but I will with every fibre of my being ensure the Conservative Party carry the can for it - this shit is yours, you and your party own it outright!
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If you want a list of how we ended up here...

1. Labour over spent in the noughties leaving this country with a **** off deficit to close.
2. Nobody wants to pay for said deficit. Everyone thinks every other person should pay for it.
3. The moment anyone tries to take action to close the deficit they scream and shout like the latest NICs debacle.
4. As nobody wants to pay for deficit the government has to cut costs reducing services and investment leaving country in disrepair and struggling.
5. At the same time the country has significant population growth with uncontrolled migration. Services can't cope, there is not enough investment etc. That element can be traced back cross party as whilst labour can be blamed neither the coalition nor Tories did any better.
6. The racist slur was used and is used too much by the liberal left which alienated a lot of right and central voters.
7. The EU and Cameron failed to acknowledge this coming in 2015 when Cameron tried to negotiate with EU. A few more concessions probably wouldn't have resulted in brexit.
8. Corbyn as leader of labour failed to support remain at the time of voting in any meaningful way.
9. The remain campaign was too antagonistic.

So for me there are a lot of reasons why we are in brexit. I suspect I will be told a lot more. It is not a Tory but cross party issue - a 1/3rd of SNP voted brexit, over a 1/3rd of labour, more than half of Tory (some of which were previously labour supporters). The sooner we face up to it the better.

For record (again!) I voted lib dem and I voted remain but I also cannot stand the narrow minded petty bullying that takes place on here just because someone voted Tory. So what! Just because you voted lib dem and labour that makes you a ****ing saint???
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Old 20-03-17, 04:01 PM
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March 29, 2017- Theresa May's Black Wednesday. Davis will lead the negotiations, making Lamont's Wednesday look like small change.
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Old 20-03-17, 04:10 PM
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What could possibly go wrong? Authoritarian, not so concerned with human rights, desperate to reduce immigration and in charge of Brexit.
I can't remember a government in my lifetime who hasn't been illiberal. Its the economics we should be worrying about most, the 'democracy' stuff was all crap methinks.
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Old 20-03-17, 04:11 PM
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The whole thing was a hopelessly misguided election stunt. This will turn out for the Tory party what Iraq was to Labour, except probably a lot worse as the destruction will be at home and counted in jobs, wages and services, not thousands of miles away. The only bonus is it might eventually keep the Tories out of power for a very long time. The public opinion penny will eventually drop, just as it did with Iraq.
Exactly. However the Tories will win the next general election. The end of the initial Brexit process will occur just before it. The BBC and newspapers are consistently reporting that Corbyn and Labour are inept and have nothing to offer.

Come 2025 though the Tories will be kicked out for a very long time. By then we will have lived five years outside the EU. An educated guess it the economy will tank during this period. The citizens of whatever is left of the UK will be badly effected.

Jack
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Old 20-03-17, 04:12 PM
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Exactly. However the Tories will win the next general election. The end of the initial Brexit process will occur just before it. The BBC and newspapers are consistently reporting that Corbyn and Labour are inept and have nothing to offer.

Come 2025 though the Tories will be kicked out for a very long time. By then we will have lived through five years of being outside of the EU.

Jack
The Tory papers are going to need lots of side shows to distract from May's shitshow which opens for a two year run next week.
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Old 20-03-17, 04:14 PM
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What could possibly go wrong? Authoritarian, not so concerned with human rights, desperate to reduce immigration and in charge of Brexit.
Sounds like May drives a hard bargain:

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At Christmas 2013, she invited her ministerial team out to lunch, which was an unusually human thing for her to do. Several days later, we each received a bill for around 58.
The Brexit negotiations are in safe hands.
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Old 20-03-17, 04:27 PM
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The Tory papers are going to need lots of side shows to distract from May's shitshow which opens for a two year run next week.
You're completely right.

Jack
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Old 20-03-17, 04:33 PM
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