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Old 16-09-17, 01:45 AM
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That's what I've noticed in my 30 years of using progressively more expensive MCs. Must get that 2M Black soon and see if I use, or even like, it more than the Kleos.
I had a 2M Black on my 301. It's a terrific cart.

I also had a Lyra Kleos. Unfortunately, it's in a completely different league.

If I had a vinyl set-up back (lottery win required to have a house where this would work for us) I'd have the Kleos again in a heartbeat.
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Old 16-09-17, 07:59 AM
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Old 16-09-17, 11:20 AM
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Old 16-09-17, 01:25 PM
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Some years ago i destroyed my Shure V15 type V MR.
I am stil missing this special sound ...
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Old 16-09-17, 06:02 PM
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I had a 2M Black on my 301. It's a terrific cart.

I also had a Lyra Kleos. Unfortunately, it's in a completely different league.
I appreciate your experienced perspective. I have a sneaky feeling I'm not getting the most of of my Kleos (ARO/LP12) fed through a DV-P75mk1. Don't get me wrong. I think it sounds fabulous. But when I had a 2M Bronze (on Pioneer PL-71 and fed through Pioneer C-21 preamp), the difference wasn't as stark as I had expected.

A 2M Black will be an opportune purchase (i.e. discounted pricing) rather than a pressing matter. I have a Tiger-Paw Elevator to safeguard the Kleos from my clumsy fingers.
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Old 16-09-17, 06:41 PM
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Some years ago i destroyed my Shure V15 type V MR.
I am stil missing this special sound ...
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/SHURE-V15-...EAAOSweAVZoBHz

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Old 16-09-17, 10:35 PM
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Ok chaps l have another question Do MC Cartridges in general prefer a valve based system - just curious like.
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Old 17-09-17, 01:08 AM
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That suggests to me you're worried the Cadenza Black inclines to the lean and detailed sound and needs valves to give it extra richness. Did you already order it, because if that was your concern I would have gone for a Miyajima or an SPU. If not, then I'd answer your question with a no. I personally thing the Cadenza Black is a stunning cartridge, but I would take care that I didn't use it with a system that inclined to the relentlessly revealing.
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Old 17-09-17, 01:16 AM
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Ok chaps l have another question Do MC Cartridges in general prefer a valve based system - just curious like.
Not at all.

It IS important though to consider both transducers when selecting a match.
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Old 17-09-17, 02:11 AM
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Ok chaps l have another question Do MC Cartridges in general prefer a valve based system - just curious like.
There is no such correlation that I know of. Probably not for any cart. either. Much more synergy needed with tone-arms, phono stages, amplification and speakers.

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Old 17-09-17, 03:17 AM
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My Quintet Black is robust and super-smooth and informative, costs a lot less than the Cadenza.

My personal trashing was a Dyn XX2 about 15 years ago - combination of wobbly LP12+Aro and large glass of Beaujolais... (insurance OK, very nice woman came round and hadn't got a clue what I was talking about).
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Old 18-09-17, 10:25 AM
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That suggests to me you're worried the Cadenza Black inclines to the lean and detailed sound and needs valves to give it extra richness. Did you already order it, because if that was your concern I would have gone for a Miyajima or an SPU. If not, then I'd answer your question with a no. I personally thing the Cadenza Black is a stunning cartridge, but I would take care that I didn't use it with a system that inclined to the relentlessly revealing.
Possibly this..... though my Beatles re-issues sound amazing.
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Old 18-09-17, 01:41 PM
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Hi Tarzan
Not if it's of interest but I'm just about to post a for sale thread for my Ortofon Quintet Black, super condition, approx 70 hrs on it. Cracking cart.

Let me know if it's of interest.

Sorry to post a sale on your thread.

Cheers steve.
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Old 18-09-17, 05:29 PM
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sorry for you op., its so frustrating when that happens!
I broke 3 denon dl-103r myself!


if you have a med to high mass arm, id take a dl-103r over everything under 1k. easily the best bargain in analog imo

Ortofon black is bit brighter, bit more details. if you want a "full" sound, the denon dl-103r is quite robust sounding, slightly warm and musical.
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