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Old 18-09-17, 01:42 AM
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Are they CB or Olive 135's?

I ask because there is a slight difference in presentation between the two types. The Olive versions are more 'open' and forward than the CB. By comparison the Avondale NCC boards are almost holographic in their own right, so you may be able to get the sound you want from minimal outlay to the 135's.
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Old 18-09-17, 02:05 AM
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I was rather fond of the olive 135s I had, but let them go because they struggled with a pair of low impedance loudspeakers. They were replaced by Densen B-350s and latterly a Dynavector HX-1.2mk2. Perversely, I have reverted to an even punier amp with just 30W per channel. It all boils down to the loudspeakers in residence and which amp works best with them. The Yamaha NS-1000M is a considerably easier and more efficient loudspeaker than the Ergo E-V, that's for sure.
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Old 18-09-17, 03:07 AM
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I had 52/135s into PMC 20-22. And I always remember hearing active SBLs with 250s in the late 1980s and being blown away by the excitement off the music.
Hence ending up with the 52/135s. But I became aware that the excitement came at the expense of clarity and accurate timbres.
Replaced with a TP integrated which was better and a Devialet 250 which I liked but sold as I wanted a purely analogue option. Now with valves and I don't think I'll go back to solid state. I still have a Naim Unit in the kitchen and it produces a big full sound, but I'm aware that all cellos sound the same (almost) because it can't reproduce those harmonic details that make the difference.
A Unison Research integrated I had was very good but currently using an Audio Research Reference 3 preamp with some cheap Chinese 300b valve monoblocks.

Would love to try a Class A Accuphase amplifier, but the Audio Research is very good. Didn't like their Reference 75 power amp mind. Lots of control, but robbed some of the timbres compared to the single ended valve amps.
Lots of great valve amps out there but I will always choose single-ended designs as I prefer the purity over power.
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Old 18-09-17, 03:18 AM
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Unless you are listening at very high SPLs I can't image why you would need more than 100 watts for a domestic situation. In most homes power rarely exceeds 5 watts to get a good level of sound in the room. If you can stick to low power amps you will get the best sound quality where just a pair of output devices are required to power each channel. Any more and the amp starts to become complicated and will not sound as good.

I have heard the 135s in a few of my customers systems and they are very good amplifiers.
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Old 18-09-17, 03:22 AM
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The Yamaha NS-1000M is a considerably easier and more efficient loudspeaker than the Ergo E-V, that's for sure.
Yeah, that is most likely true (I don't know the Ergo's very well), but I still have a load of amplification on my Yamaha's - a pair of 135's driving the mids and upper frequencies and a further 300wpc into the bass drivers.
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Old 18-09-17, 07:45 AM
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@ MJS
Its an olive NAP135. :-)

@MJS & GT Audio
Yes NAP135 is a very capable amp... and in my opinion not so easy to replace. Especially if we do some modification..... but this time I really want something outside Naim to partner with the AVC.

@GT Audio
Low power is ok even 5 watts is ok. What do you recommend?
Yes i am after the best sound quality. Who manufacture amplifier with just a pair of output devices to power each channel? Is it tube or SS?

I search the internet and found this: Decware SE845UFO triode. Any opinions?

@Mike Reed,
Tell us more about going from 552/135 to EAR Pre/EAR509.
Please share your experience how much improvement and how different is the presentation?

Many thanks
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Old 18-09-17, 07:49 AM
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EAR 890 - a surprisingly good upgrade from my Exposure 16 monos, with no loss of bass or dynamics.
Hi Ross, I have never heard anyone who is intimately familiar with the 16s say they found something better so needless to say, you have my full attention. I'm not doubting you at all, I know you are very familiar with the 16s so that's telling me the EAR must be extremely special so I'd really like to hear your thoughts on how the EAR compares to the 16s.

Perhaps my biggest regret in audio is that I didn't purchase the 16s way back when they were available, and now that I'm looking to upgrade I'd want something at least on par with the 16s.
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Old 18-09-17, 09:36 AM
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I went from 135s after servicing to a 500, not as big a step up as I thought.
Chord SPM1200E saw off the 500

Belles Monos saw off the Chord
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Old 18-09-17, 09:42 AM
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I went from 135s after servicing to a 500, not as big a step up as I thought.
Chord SPM1200E saw off the 500

Belles Monos saw off the Chord
Glad to hear this. I just had my 1993 olive 135s fully serviced. I thought about selling the 135s to help finance a 500 but decided did not want to spend that much $.
Must say after servicing they sounded slightly better but not blown away by the difference. Last serviced 10 yrs earlier. They sound great but guess that I could have waited a bit longer prior to servicing. My OCD would not allow further waiting howerver....
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Old 18-09-17, 12:29 PM
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@Mike Reed,
Tell us more about going from 552/135 to EAR Pre/EAR509.
Please share your experience how much improvement and how different is the presentation?

Many thanks[/QUOTE]

This was done over a seven-ish year period (maybe more). I had the 135s and 509s in and out of circuit for about 6 months, just to be sure. My wife (with better hearing but no musical/audiophile pretensions) didn't take long to plump for the valves (509s). These E.A.R. amp's (and others) are the s/s equivalent of valves, by many accounts, so it wasn't a night and day preference. The 552 went well with the 509s, though absolute synergy must favour the 135s, of course.

I had the ESLs when I swapped out the 552 for the E.A.R. 912 last October, and the difference was quite palpable; synergy again, I s'pose. The 509s had always been perfect for the Quad 2905s anyway, but adding the pre. enabled a greater 3 dimensional, lively and involving experience. More natural too, with greater tonal variation.

It also relegated 1 Superline, 1 Supercap, 1 pre. and 1 power supply plus Burndy and HiLiine.....for just 1 box ! Incredible ! VU meters and loading etc switches were, and still are, a bit of a challenge to these old eyes and brain, esp after a few glasses, but the proof is in the pudding and there's no way back.

I also had 8 h/d radials direct to dedicated C.U. with RCBOs (benefits Naim but maybe not necessarily valves). Bake-offs/local audiophile listenings confirm the above so it's not just my ears.

CDP = LECTOR valved 4 box. RADIO = Naim 01 and VINYL = N.A. Dais with 12" PU7 and Ace Anna with Transfig. Proteus and K. Urushi Vermillion.
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Old 18-09-17, 12:32 PM
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Yeah, that is most likely true (I don't know the Ergo's very well), but I still have a load of amplification on my Yamaha's - a pair of 135's driving the mids and upper frequencies and a further 300wpc into the bass drivers.
The E-Vs have an impedance minima of around 3 ohms in the midbass. NAP135s don't like that much when I want the room pressurised with a bit of Korn. The NS-1000Ms actually sound better with the class-A Pioneer M-22 (fed by its matching C-21 preamp) than with the 200+W Dynavector HX1.2mk2 (fed by Densen B-250 preamp). It may be the preamps highlighting the differences, I cannot be sure.

I'm sure the NS-1000M would sound sublime with my (long gone) 52/135s if I hadn't sold them.
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Old 18-09-17, 03:20 PM
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You may also find that the "holographic" sound you want magically appears if you move the SBL's about 4 to 6 inches away from the wall rather than having them as close as possible (like wot Naim tell you to).

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Old 18-09-17, 09:08 PM
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Hi Ross, I have never heard anyone who is intimately familiar with the 16s say they found something better so needless to say, you have my full attention. I'm not doubting you at all, I know you are very familiar with the 16s so that's telling me the EAR must be extremely special so I'd really like to hear your thoughts on how the EAR compares to the 16s.

Perhaps my biggest regret in audio is that I didn't purchase the 16s way back when they were available, and now that I'm looking to upgrade I'd want something at least on par with the 16s.
The 16 Monos are certainly monumentally good. There is no way I am parting with mine.

I have tried a lot of amps - tube and solid state - against the 16 Monos, and so far nothing else has come close. They have the perfect combination of tonality, speed and dynamics. Everything else I have tried against them has sounded anemic, gutless or tonally bleached. But the EAR 890 is just as dynamic, but with more depth of tone. The 890 is a just the slightest bit rolled off on top compared to the 16 Monos, and the bass is just a degree less tight. But on balance, I find the 890 to be the first fully satisfying power amp I have tried which could replace the 16 Monos.

I also use mine with an EAR 912 preamp, which is also excellent. It will be interesting to compare this with my Tron Seven linestage which is about to go back to Graham for upgrading to Reference level.
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Old 19-09-17, 07:05 AM
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A friend brought his 899 (?..the int. version of the 890) round a couple of months ago as he wanted to hear the difference between my 509s and his. I was surprised at the almost identical tonal presentation, although on balance the 509s seemed better in sound-staging (into big ESLs) 100W versus 70 watts; it was a good comparison.

Wonder how the coveted 861 sounds, though at 35 watts, I'm not sure about driving the ESLs as well.
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Old 19-09-17, 07:52 AM
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Glad to hear this. I just had my 1993 olive 135s fully serviced. I thought about selling the 135s to help finance a 500 but decided did not want to spend that much $.
Must say after servicing they sounded slightly better but not blown away by the difference. Last serviced 10 yrs earlier. They sound great but guess that I could have waited a bit longer prior to servicing. My OCD would not allow further waiting howerver....
David
I knew my 500 would see off my mate's Chord. Had to, no competition.

Was gobsmacked when it was the other way round
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