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Old 28-03-12, 11:31 AM
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You have it in one, pqpq. That's all the debate required or necessary.
How does one distinguish between what is required and what is necessary?
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Old 28-03-12, 11:44 AM
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What "right" to strike? It doesn't exist in the UK
http://labourlist.org/2011/06/what-i...ght-to-strike/
Well it should, otherwise it's back to the sweat shops and slave labour with employers taking advantage of the ordinary worker.

If it doesn't it's because of people placing their own personal convenience first and being unable to see the big picture of where it all ends up.
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Old 28-03-12, 11:48 AM
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I support the basic right to withdraw labour. You can't force people to work as that would be slavery. However the government can make contingency plans as they see fit and in the national interest. Either that or the tanker drivers will be demanding salaries of 100+k per year.
Absolute rubbish and a very, very weak argument there.

There is no point in supporting the right to withdraw labour if you support contingency plans that ensure withdrawal of that labour has zero impact. I repeat, use of Service personnel in this instance is totally wrong.
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Old 28-03-12, 11:50 AM
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Absolute rubbish and a very, very weak argument there.

There is no point in supporting the right to withdraw labour if you support contingency plans that ensure withdrawal of that labour has zero impact. I repeat, use of Service personnel in this instance is totally wrong.
Here we are again, state institutions covering the failure of private enterprise.
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Old 28-03-12, 11:59 AM
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Its not a failure of private enterprise, its strike action. Not the same thing, really.
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Old 28-03-12, 12:02 PM
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Absolute rubbish and a very, very weak argument there.

There is no point in supporting the right to withdraw labour if you support contingency plans that ensure withdrawal of that labour has zero impact. I repeat, use of Service personnel in this instance is totally wrong.
Why? Is there a law against it?
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Old 28-03-12, 12:05 PM
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They were queueing down the road today to fill up. The panic buying mentality of every man for himself so the pumps run dry even faster. If it wasnt so sad it would be funny.

Perhaps we should all be striking over the high tax on everything we need

They wont need to strike as every station will be bone dry pretty soon. The threat has done the job.

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Old 28-03-12, 12:12 PM
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Its not a failure of private enterprise, its strike action. Not the same thing, really.
The system of fuel distribution is being moved from the private sector to the state sector. I know you do not like the fact but it is a fact.
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Old 28-03-12, 12:14 PM
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They were queueing down the road today to fill up. The panic buying mentality of every man for himself so the pumps run dry even faster. If it wasnt so sad it would be funny.

Perhaps we should all be striking over the high tax on everything we need
Well the years of competition have paid off, we now live in a dog eat dog society so people suffer more than if they co-operated. Three cheers for the free market dream!.
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Old 28-03-12, 12:16 PM
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The system of fuel distribution is being moved from the private sector to the state sector. I know you do not like the fact but it is a fact.
Its not a fact; the system is NOT being moved; as a temporary expedient, the RAF might get involved. Keeping the country running, which is a good idea, really.
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Old 28-03-12, 12:18 PM
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I don't think they are on strike yet.
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Old 28-03-12, 12:19 PM
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Its not a fact; the system is NOT being moved, as a temporary expedient, the RAF might get involved. Keeping the country running, which is a good idea, really.
So we all get flown everywhere in Hercules transports?

Say what you like about Maggie, she at least knew when to pick a fight with the coal miners; ie when coal stocks were high and the weather was getting warmer. In the current situation, fuel stocks are historically low, and a Cabinet minister has effectively triggered panic buying before the strike has been called, let alone started. Result!
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Old 28-03-12, 12:22 PM
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Brian wants the fuel tanker workers to win some kind of class struggle. We need balance - neither sweatshops on the one hand nor unions threatening the withdrawal of vital services to hold the country to ransom on the other. That balance is maintained by allowing them to strike but ensure the impact of their (in)action is limited.
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Old 28-03-12, 12:27 PM
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http://www.jobisjob.co.uk/tanker-driver/jobs

Can't find one over 30K a year and most are way below, around 10 an hour.
Needed posting again for the benefit of the hard of thinking.
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Old 28-03-12, 12:30 PM
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OK Cooky, how much do the tanker drivers get paid? For the hard of thinking here, of course.
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