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best sound I have ever heard from hifi

Discussion in 'classic' started by audiojoy, Sep 30, 2017.

  1. audiojoy

    audiojoy pfm Member

    I had the most amazing experience yesterday at the home of a retired speaker engineer with 60 years of experience and knowledge.


    His own speaker design ( of which there is only one)-highly camouflaged, were in all my 25 years of hifi listening the best i had ever heard. It did not matter the quality, age, or type of music played via cd, the sheer purity of the sound was such that it made everything sound so captivating, i was entranced for hours. Even a 1920's blues recording sounded amazing. Again I can only describe it as captivating, the entire recording as dated as it was sounded so alive, the entire presentation was crystal clear, there was no doubt as to what was presented by the musicians both emotionally and technically. No fogginess, no distortion or ambiguity. The entirety of each voice and instrument was captured as cleanly as you would expect in real life. The sound hung in the air between the speakers, which had completely disappeared and every note and every vocal cord was a living breathing life form to my ears and senses. Mind you this is all IMHO.

    These DIY speakers were placed into corners surrounded by bits and pieces of hifi and boxes, waist high, and yet they sounded as I described. I of course assumed the associated equipment would be of the highest calibre. What did i find a £70 sony integrated from the 90's and a £80 sony cd player with cheap diy audio cables!!!! Both units totally original and unmolested. The story goes many years ago he collected them from the doorstep of a neighbour who had dumped them there for collection as unwanted!!

    The moral of the story????? 1) imagine the amount we spend on our front end and amps!! 2) Manufacturers have no idea ? patience ? talent ? financial freedom from profit on how to build a speaker that does everything an audiophile would dream of!!!
     
  2. Tony L

    Tony L Administrator

    What type of speaker design were they, e.g. ported boxes, horns, transmission line? How many drivers?
     
  3. narabdela

    narabdela who?

    There's a moral there somewhere, but it might not be appreciated in some quarters.
     
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  4. Naim2

    Naim2 pfm Member

    Ok I want one......:)

    Do you happen to note the type of integrated and cd player?

    "His own speaker design ( of which there is only one)-highly camouflaged, were in all my 25 years of hifi listening the best i had ever heard. It did not matter the quality, age, or type of music played via cd, the sheer purity of the sound was such that it made everything sound so captivating, i was entranced for hours. Even a 1920's blues recording sounded amazing. Again I can only describe it as captivating, the entire recording as dated as it was sounded so alive, the entire presentation was crystal clear, there was no doubt as to what was presented by the musicians both emotionally and technically. No fogginess, no distortion or ambiguity. The entirety of each voice and instrument was captured as cleanly as you would expect in real life. The sound hung in the air between the speakers, which had completely disappeared and every note and every vocal cord was a living breathing life form to my ears and senses."
     
  5. audiojoy

    audiojoy pfm Member

    the speakers were camouflaged somewhat with tacky sellotape. I think the speakers are not the point here, as they are unobtainable. It is the fact that we could have a speaker with cheap ancillaries and get the best sound I have ever heard IMHO and blame the Hifi Industry for not trying hard enough to advance speaker design. Money Money Money, time time time, care care care!!! I have after years of trying AVantgarde Duo's , Harbeths, Devore orangutans,Obelisks, KUdos, Naim Ovators , Tannoy Prestige Canterburys etc etc etc , ended up listening to 1970's Tannoys as my preferred speakers!
     
  6. ToTo Man

    ToTo Man the band not the dog

    To the contrary, I think the speakers are very much the point here, as IME their sonic impact very much dwarves that of the ancillary equipment driving them. Get the speakers right and you are most of the way there IMO...
     
  7. Tony L

    Tony L Administrator

    Agreed, which is why I’m curious as to what genre they fit into; giant air-movers, mini-monitors, full-range single drivers etc? Something has to be conceptually different to what you are used to!

    PS I’ve also ended up with Tannoys and what most would consider remarkably modest amplification (vintage Quad solid state).
     
  8. Robert

    Robert Tapehead

    Also agree.
    Getting amplifiers and (digital) right to the point where differences matter little, costs little.
    The best loudspeakers require seriously good engineering and talent = expensive and often large.
     
  9. oldius

    oldius pfm Member

    Speakers make, by some margin, the largest difference to the quality of the sound. It is no surprise that an excellent loudspeaker, driven by good quality ancillaries, sounds excellent. I could very happily live with the sound I achieve from my speakers and integrated amps.
     
  10. Still

    Still gyldengourd

    Audiophile burglars?


    Apropos of nothing could you PM me your friends address, and any information re: his security measures please?
     
  11. Julf

    Julf Evil brother of Mark V Shaney

    Have we finally found something we all agree with?
     
  12. Patrick Dixon

    Patrick Dixon Imagineer

    No.
     
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  13. Ragaman

    Ragaman pfm Member

    Just goes to show how relative hifi is to your own personalized tastes,
    It's what makes the hifi world go round.

    Sometimes it just comes together for you on a personal level, no matter the cost or mythology surrounding hifi equipment.

    Of course, someone else may have hated it :D

    Nice post.
     
  14. darrenyeats

    darrenyeats pfm Member

    Hearing a system that sounds great, when this has been a rare or non-existent event in the past, is a wonderful, disorienting experience. The fact this one used an £80 CD player tells me all digital sources are pretty good. I don't think it precludes the amazing system sounding even better, if one has enough time to adjust, with a better source.

    There are other persuasive arguments for an £80 CDP being as good as megabuck players. Still I don't agree!
     
  15. audiojoy

    audiojoy pfm Member

    Yes I agree, I never once said that the time and effort that went into making the speakers would not cost a significant sum. I still think manufacturers could do more to find the talent to get speakers designed correctly, and I bet not at a price that would be beyond many of us.

    How many of them (manufactures) appreciate what designers exist out there and what can be achieved?? how many of them have made the effort to identify these people? How many of them actually appreciate when a speaker is reaching a certain point of greatness?? Those that run these companies are not doing their homework for various reasons and we are all losing out IMO. When they do find a designer that they know could provide them with something special what financial compensation do they offer them to make it worth their while, or do they decide the profit margin would be too limited to pursue that lie of action?? Answers to which i have no idea. What I do now believe is that progress in speaker development is going no where and is at a stand still from what i have heard.

    Also now fully appreciate , get the speakers right and the ancillaries dont have to cost a fortune to have a great sounding system. Loudspeaker first and foremost for me from now on.
     
  16. Julf

    Julf Evil brother of Mark V Shaney

    Seems their idea of "designer" is more like "fashion designer" instead of "design engineer" these days.
     
  17. Hook

    Hook pfm Member

    There are notable exceptions of course. Linkwitz comes to mind. His DIY designs sound ridiculously good, and are inexpensive. I had a WTF moment a few years back at RMAF. After visiting a number of extreme high-end rooms, I was shocked to hear how good his LXmini sounded. Maybe it was the contrast between how ugly it looked and how good it sounded.
     
  18. Julf

    Julf Evil brother of Mark V Shaney

    Absolutely. But how many commercial manufacturers use his designs?
     
  19. darrenyeats

    darrenyeats pfm Member

    I heard Orion+Thor all active but with valve amplification - great!
     
  20. Hook

    Hook pfm Member

    None that I am aware of. Of course, given his plans for DIY are ubiquitous, why would they?

    IIRC, there are a couple of very small shops that customize speakers based on his plans. Seem to remember a gloss black version of the LXmini that looked a bit less agricultural.
     

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