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Conclusions!

Discussion in 'trade discussion' started by Purité Audio, Oct 27, 2017.

  1. Purité Audio

    Purité Audio Trade: Purite Audio

    The conclusion from the Stereophile Benchmark DAC3 review.
    Conclusions
    Once, in these pages, I expressed regret that rigorous listening tests are not truly viable in many high-end audio contexts, because without them we're unmoored. Without rigorous testing, it's hard to know what progress is real and what is only apparently real. There's a danger of being misled, of repeating the same mistakes again and again, of spending way too much money on things of little value. All of that helps the more cynical part of the high-end industry thrive at the expense of the more authentic, conscientious part. That's regrettable.

    My point is that, as a hobby, industry, and avocation, we may have shifted too far toward the subjectivist side. Yes, I know the history, and accept its lessons: Measurements sometimes lead us astray, and there are plenty of open questions about what makes a component sound good..... Science works. Artists may be sexy, but never underestimate a good geek."
    ​Keith
     
  2. muzzer

    muzzer Numb Nut

    Does this mean you are going to stop selling DAC3's and just stock 200 quid dacs then?
     
  3. Purité Audio

    Purité Audio Trade: Purite Audio

    If I could find a £200 DAC that had all the features and measured as well as the DAC 3 I would certainly consider it, why not?
    Do you know of one Muzzer does Colin from Chevron audio make one?
    Keith
     
  4. Ciunas Audio

    Ciunas Audio Trade: Ciunas Audio

    Keith, what do you understand the highlighted text means?
     
  5. Purité Audio

    Purité Audio Trade: Purite Audio

    Show me some of your measurements for your products John show me how they improve the DACs output.
    Keith
     
  6. Ciunas Audio

    Ciunas Audio Trade: Ciunas Audio

    So you have no understanding of what you quoted, I see - thanks for clearing that up.
    A pity as it could have been interesting.
     
  7. eastone

    eastone pfm Member

    You didn't answer John's question.

    The sentence you quoted is ambiguous, and it would be great if you could clarify what you're taking from it and advancing?
     
  8. Purité Audio

    Purité Audio Trade: Purite Audio

    Show me the measurements where any of your devices improve the DACs output, really very simple.
    Show me the measurements ,
    Keith
     
  9. Ciunas Audio

    Ciunas Audio Trade: Ciunas Audio

    You still don't understand what you quoted
    I was hoping you did & a discussion could be had but your handwaving demonstrates a discussion is not possible
     
  10. eastone

    eastone pfm Member

    I find it strange to cite a subjective view in order to advance a supposedly objectivist point of view, and even stranger to then refuse to develop the point.

    Keith: as an owner of John's equipment, I'd like to know what sort of measurements you would like to see. Can you elaborate on your doubts in relation to his products?

    I have no position to defend here, I'm merely an interested listener. Please, do go on...
     
  11. Ciunas Audio

    Ciunas Audio Trade: Ciunas Audio

    What's going on here is that Keith is aping his guru, Amir https://www.audiosciencereview.com/...as-it-gets’-benchmark’s-dac3.2022/#post-53633

    Notice Amir highlights the exact opposite of what I highlighted in the quote

    Unfortunately Keith seems to not have any understanding of what he quotes - just imitates others
     
  12. Ciunas Audio

    Ciunas Audio Trade: Ciunas Audio

    A perfect exercise for Keith who beats the measurements mantra so avidly, is to use the 3 generations of the Benchmark DACs (the Benchmark DAC3 Stereophile review was where the quote was taken from) & their measurements to educate us in how they sound different & pointing this out in their measurements.

    In anticipation (not)!!
     
  13. Purité Audio

    Purité Audio Trade: Purite Audio

    Show me the measurements that prove your products improve the quality of the DACs output, I know you can’t because you don’t measure your products, just relying purely on BS.
    Keith
     
  14. Ciunas Audio

    Ciunas Audio Trade: Ciunas Audio

    Keith my DACs measure exactly the same as all competently designed DACs - isn't that your mantra?

    So why don't you just sell the $79 Behringer UMC204HD as Amir has shown it measures the same or better & is far cheaper than your stocked Benchmark, Illusonic, Weiss or Phison DAcs

    Show us the differences in measurements of these devices & how they are better than the $79 DAC/ADC Behringer
     
  15. Purité Audio

    Purité Audio Trade: Purite Audio

    Show me the measurements John show me your measurements , should be straightforward for a manufacturer .
    Keith
     
  16. sq225917

    sq225917 situation engineer

    Get a room you two. Petty bickering does you both a disservice.
     
  17. Ciunas Audio

    Ciunas Audio Trade: Ciunas Audio

    If you can't post anything other than this mantra, there's no point in further posting - it's not a discussion of any worth
     
  18. Purité Audio

    Purité Audio Trade: Purite Audio

    You are a manufacturer correct ?
    You make a device that purports to improve sound quality, show me two sets of measurements one with and one without your device taken at the DACs output that show the improvement , pretty straightforward request.
    Keith
     
  19. Purité Audio

    Purité Audio Trade: Purite Audio

  20. Ciunas Audio

    Ciunas Audio Trade: Ciunas Audio

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