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Dutch & Dutch 8C - Where are they?

Discussion in 'audio' started by KWB1, May 2, 2017.

  1. Purité Audio

    Purité Audio Trade: Purite Audio

    There will be a ‘Sound-on-Sound’ review of the 8C by Phil Ward in a month or two.
    Phil really liked the Kiis so his opinion should be interesting.
    Keith
     
  2. Space is the Place

    Space is the Place pfm Member

    Well done Emlin you've avoided a swim in the Rhine... ;)
     
  3. Emlin

    Emlin pfm Member

    And you've missed the point.
     
  4. Space is the Place

    Space is the Place pfm Member

    Yeah i'll have a read when it comes out, what did Martin Colloms think of them?

    Why do the Kii's have the cover on the mid driver is it because it's a driver with a pressed steel basket? I've not seen any images of the mid?
     
  5. Purité Audio

    Purité Audio Trade: Purite Audio

    Honestly I do not know I have never seen the Kii’s mid naked.
    Ask them!
    Keith
     
  6. Emlin

    Emlin pfm Member

    And this from someone who would criticise others use of the language.
     
  7. Space is the Place

    Space is the Place pfm Member

    Yeah, sad isn't it?! Actually perhaps i was a little unfair, i quite like the site, reading back through it's not to bad a review, it's the owner of the place that baffles me with his "chewy tone densities" paraphrasing a bit here, but you get the idea.

    I'm wondering too what is going on with their listening space, i guess their horns etc work well, but i can only imagine what it sounds like with a more normally aspirated speaker, how they can judge the sound is anyone's guess, reflection city... I can imagine Ethan Weiner having a heart attack seeing this!

    Or perhaps that's the point, if you can get believable sound in a space like this, they must be good.

    [​IMG]
     
  8. Purité Audio

    Purité Audio Trade: Purite Audio

    A comparison measurement between the 8Cs placed against a solid brick wall and against glass is on my to-do list .
    I see what you mean about the room though a carpet between the listener and speakers is a good idea.
    Keith
     
  9. firedog

    firedog pfm Member

    Probably is part of the point that if they get good sound in that room, it means something.
    But if the 8c's perform as promised (I assume they do), you can stand behind them and tell that there is basically no output behind the speaker (as with the Kiis); that surely makes a huge difference in front of that glass. And of course, maybe they have some acoustic panels on some of the walls,we don't know.
     
  10. YNWOAN

    YNWOAN 100% Analogue

    But surely there still is output from the rear of the cabinets, similarly with the Kii’s - summed cancellation is not the same as zero output when reflective surfaces exist.
     
  11. Purité Audio

    Purité Audio Trade: Purite Audio

  12. Cereal Killer

    Cereal Killer fourhundredandthirtytwo

    Didn't know the price had gone up that much! TBH I think they are both supershite value as a package. Ok my system costs around the same in total if I bought everything at the manufacturers RRP, at a quick sum up I paid c£5K including a 2TB SSD server/NAS. And from my experiences with a few active and passive speakers (just a few ;)) I can say, from an informed position that my current system is exactly where I want to be.. the actives have been and gone.
     
  13. Purité Audio

    Purité Audio Trade: Purite Audio

    £8995 for the best system you are ever likely to hear in your own room seems pretty reasonable.
    Remember everything apart from source included, four amps, DACs ,adcs per speaker, control software for boundary ,contour ,output, input and attenuation just add sources of your choice .
    The only really valid way to compare is to listen to both your current system and the 8Cs in your own room.
    Keith
     
  14. Cereal Killer

    Cereal Killer fourhundredandthirtytwo

    that's probably and not true. How can you say something so subjective Keith, give me a graph to prove this is better sounding than my system.
     
  15. Purité Audio

    Purité Audio Trade: Purite Audio

    We would have to measure both systems in your room, or you can measure your own system and post the plot , REW software is comprehensive and free, just borrow a USB microphone and away you go.
    Keith
     
  16. Still

    Still gyldengourd

    No longer promoting Kii, or level matched doubled blind listening?
     
  17. Purité Audio

    Purité Audio Trade: Purite Audio

    Still really rate the Kii Three as a loudspeaker, hugely disappointed to have been kicked off, still completely believe in unsighted comparisons ,level matched if necessary.
    You can level match loudspeakers using the signal generator function of REW , I am not it sure how valid matching at one or two frequencies would be though for obvious reasons.

    Keith
     
  18. Strictly Stereo

    Strictly Stereo Trade: Strictly Stereo

    It is great that you are happy with your existing system, but unless you have heard the Kii Three or Dutch & Dutch 8c, I do not see how you can draw any reasonable conclusions about either of those models.
     
  19. Still

    Still gyldengourd

    You don't need to hear the gear to reach reasonable conclusions re: the potential risks of relying on embedded software.

    That is a significant change to your previous mantra, which iirc was 'double blind and level matched' comparisons to be prerequisite.
     
  20. Purité Audio

    Purité Audio Trade: Purite Audio

    Depends very much upon the components you are comparing, something like DACs are really straightforward just measure the output voltage of the two units , loudspeakers generally sound very different to each other, with those you have to decide which you prefer, although I suppose level matching through test tones and a microphone wouldn’t hurt.
    Keith
     

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