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Elsdon Wonfor Audio LS-25 speaker cables

Discussion in 'audio' started by Cereal Killer, Jun 28, 2017.

  1. Cereal Killer

    Cereal Killer fourhundredandthirtytwo

    Rather than trash my own thread on ProAc SM100s user experiences, thought I'd start a dedicated one seeing who on PFM has bought/demo'd/experienced the EWA LS-25 speaker cables?
     
  2. Cereal Killer

    Cereal Killer fourhundredandthirtytwo

    My experiences, In order of trails over the last 3-4 weeks, and having Tellurium Q Black as a reference till last weekend. Mini cable shoot out, in descending order:

    1st place: EWA LS-25
    Joint 2nd: VOVOX Vocalis – Really was the one I had my money on but experimenting with the HiDiamond 3 made it sound a little bright/hard and artificial
    Joint 2nd: HiDiamond 3 – a very ‘fugly’ gold and black braid but sounds big, smooth and organic, albeit disjointed
    Runner up: TelluriumQ Black – Nice reference point, great bass performance lacking detail further up
    Runner up: Chord Epic – Not so epic, nice pleasant balance but trimmed top and bottom

    Been looking/thinking of a not so flowery/BS way of describing the result, best I can do so far is to say its like removing the crystal clear window you didn't know was there previously, feeling the atmosphere come into the room. Everything's much more surrounding, the sense of reality, space and depth it allows the system to portray seems unlimited, yet I does this without becoming in any way shouty, controlled or highlight anything in particular; A full width soundstage without glare or exaggeration across the whole spectrum.

    ^BS over^: Bought the cables though Mark Grant who is the sole manufacturer/retailer IIRC; he makes these cables to an impeccable standard with true OCD attention to detail, even down to the packaging. I can see why EWA have chosen Mark, nice chap to deal with too.

    Highly recommended if you've got the appetite to hear your system at its best.
     
  3. YNWOAN

    YNWOAN 100% Analogue

    Looks very like Teleurrium Q Ultra Black which I believe CW also designed.
     
  4. Cereal Killer

    Cereal Killer fourhundredandthirtytwo

    According to Colin, the LS-25 is better then Ultra Black, and better than anything he's produced to date.
     
  5. ryder

    ryder pfm Member

    Nice review.

    Would appreciate if you can expand on the differences between the Chord Epic and EWA-LS25. Also, did you listen to the NAC A5 in your system as well?

    FWIW I have the Chord Epic Twin on my 282/HCDR/250DR and find it to be a nicely balanced cable. The bass is textured and nicely extended while the treble is dependent on the recording. Overall I find the Chord Epic to be a good match to the system, and I slightly prefer this cable to the NAC A5 for its added detail and refinement.

    The Chord Epic may not sound too epic as it's a nicely balanced cable. Your comment on the trimmed top and bottom of the Epic is intriguing as I don't find the highs to be rolled off, or the bass to lack punch, depth of impact. Can you please provide a more detailed analysis on this, thanks.

    Are you using the Naim Superuniti and Proac SM100 when you evaluated the cables? Is the Proac SM100 biwirable? If yes, how did you connect the top and bottom terminals?
     
  6. Cereal Killer

    Cereal Killer fourhundredandthirtytwo

    Yes using the system you describe above, Not got NACA5 as I have and know of the differences you describe of this and Chord Epic Twin.

    Don't get me wrong, none of the cables mentioned are rubbish. Just the LS-25 makes the image tangible if you get me, try it, you'll hear what's missing with the Epic Twin. The extra pace, depth and resolution in the bass adds to the space around transients, which strings and blends seamlessly with the mids and the top sounds crystal clear, relaxed and textured.
     
  7. ryder

    ryder pfm Member

    Thanks for the information. That sounds pretty good.

    Currently I have two pairs of Chord Signature TA and Signature jumpers on the way. I have actually overspent on cables for my system. The LS-25 will be in the shortlist if I catch the itch, though it wouldn't be anytime too soon.

    Cheers.
     
  8. Cereal Killer

    Cereal Killer fourhundredandthirtytwo

    The LS-25 would save you some money, and is on 30 day return basis, so nothing to loose :) have a go!
     
  9. DNM

    DNM pfm Member

    Oh come on now, it just wouldn't be a cable thread without flowery BS ;)

    Jeez, so if I had the appetite for my system to sound at its best, its gonna cost me £1488 for some speaker wire :eek:
     
  10. Cereal Killer

    Cereal Killer fourhundredandthirtytwo

    How far are your speaker from your amp??!! ..... that's some distance you've got there!!
     
  11. DNM

    DNM pfm Member

    The furthest is 8m provided the cables are run behind skirting boards, the nearest is 5m.

    So I figured I'd need 2x8m to ensure the signal arrives at the speakers at the same time, which @ £186 p/m pair would be £1488. I now see on the website its a sliding scale up to 5m, so maybe a good bit cheaper. Decisions decisions :)
     
  12. YNWOAN

    YNWOAN 100% Analogue

    How - it looks like the same conductor diameter, same construction and same insulation........?

    However, I see it is about half the price (though far from cheap).
     
  13. thebiglebowski

    thebiglebowski pfm Member

    I would suspect it's very close to TQ without being the same, Colin got shafted by TQ and ousted from the company and lost all rights to the stuff he designed.
     
  14. kc5819w

    kc5819w pfm Member

    You understand electrons travel at the speed of light? There will be no time delay.
     
  15. FireMoon

    FireMoon pfm Member

    Question for those with a bit of knowledge. I have balanced cables running from my pre to my nCores and my speaker's crossovers are mounted in enclosures outside of my speakers. This means I only need a 20 cm run from Amp to crossovers and 50 cms runs from the crossovers to the speaker terminals. I know Naim amps recommend a minimum length between amp and crossover are there any other amps need this, ie the nCores? I'm looking at this cable and I really only need around a metre aside split into the relevant lengths per speaker?
     
  16. Julf

    Julf Evil brother of Mark V Shaney

    In the time it takes the signal to travel the 3 metre difference, sound moves 0.000003 m, or 1/10 the width of a human hair, so if your speakers are off by even one mm, it makes a much larger difference.

    A more relevant issue is that if the cable parameters (R, C and L) make a difference to the sound, they are proportional to the length, but funnily enough, I have never came across an audiophile that would have stated that the "sound" of a cable was proportional to the length of the cable.
     
  17. Julf

    Julf Evil brother of Mark V Shaney

    The Naims are pretty special in that regard. There might be other amps that get unstable without the right loading, but the nCore is definitely not one of them, so no reason to worry.
     
  18. DNM

    DNM pfm Member

    Yes, I'm fully aware of that and probably should of added one of these ";)" after I wrote that sentence.
     
  19. Pete MB&D

    Pete MB&D Pete Maddex, the one and only!


    In an insulated cable they don't, PTFE Cat5 cable the NVP (Nominal Velocity of Propagation) is around 66% of the speed of light in a vacuum.

    Pete
     
  20. DNM

    DNM pfm Member

    I do indeed however the purveyors of this stuff generally advocate equal lengths hence my sarcasm, which clearly didn't come through very well :)
     

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