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Should I splash the cash on a Goldpoint?

Discussion in 'd.i.y.' started by chiily, Aug 22, 2017.

  1. chiily

    chiily PFM Special Builder

    I've been reading plenty of threads on PFM about the quality of Goldpoint stepped attenuators. Plenty have replaces the ALPS devices in Naim NACs and a few other stepped attenuators, for example the Valab (current thread in DIY).

    My B4 has a 50k Noble pot and it sounds pretty good to me. Would replacing it with a 25k, V24 Goldpoint be worth it? The Goldpoint is a lot of cash afterall.
     
  2. sam_cat

    sam_cat ʇɐɔ_ɯɐs

  3. Pete MB&D

    Pete MB&D Pete Maddex, the one and only!

    My experience with Valab and Goldpoint is that both sound better than a pot and the Goldpoint is better made better sounding more useable than the Valab.

    My Valab started to feel looser and started to make more noise when switching as it got older.

    Ultimately you are going to end up with the Glodpoint, don't resist, you know you will succumb ;) :D

    Pete
     
  4. sq225917

    sq225917 situation engineer

    The Goldpoint I'd the best switched attenuator out there for sensible money. I'd put one in any pre. I'm about to add a pair to a Paradise as a cartridge loading solution.
     
  5. Tony L

    Tony L Administrator

    The thing I'm a little skeptical with the Goldpoint is, as I understand it, they add resistors to attenuate, i.e. the more attenuation the more resistors you have in circuit. This being how the little Tisbury passive works, and whilst that is a lovely product for the money my Audio Synthesis PAS-02 was very obviously better to my ears. I've since beaten that with an AS Passion which is a shunt attenuator rather than a ladder too. Whilst all these things are very good, including a little TKD pot I built into a tupperware container with just one in/out, I'm surprised by how much difference exists between them.
     
  6. sq225917

    sq225917 situation engineer

    It's the contact and resistor quality that makes the Goldpoint.
     
  7. bugbear

    bugbear pfm Member

    Easy cheap experiment; measure your Noble at some setting you use a lot.

    Make a fixed voltage divider at this setting out of two high quality resistors,
    and try this. This (surely...) is the upper quality bound.

    If you like it, consider switching(*) out your Noble.

    BugBear

    (*) no pun intended.
     
  8. 337alant

    337alant Negatively Biased

    Si the goldpoint is built on a 24 point Elma switch, I agree they are excellent
    I have a 25K golpoint stepped attenuator with an Ema 6 way switch in my pre amp.

    [​IMG]IMG_2375 by Alan Towell, on Flickr

    Alan
     
  9. chiily

    chiily PFM Special Builder

  10. 337alant

    337alant Negatively Biased

  11. flashgo

    flashgo DIY Practitioner

    I'm a BIG Goldpoint fan. The difference is not subtle, and to my mind, it's one of the most effective upgrades that can be made to a pre-amp. I've purchased the Goldpoints directly from Arn, but now I get them from Elma because they have more options, like the 47 step series and the X4 Audio series with a Hall-Effect rotary (and remote-able) switch connected to relays for up to 64 positions. I have one waiting for my next pre-amp project. Elma support is excellent

    The Elma site is a little funky right now. But the PDF downloads seem to be working:
    X4 Audio: http://www.elma.com/-/media/product...tions/datasheets/us-rs-x4-audio-series-d.ashx
    General Audio: http://www.elma.com/-/media/product...uments/ch15-rs-audio-solutions-catalog-e.ashx
     
  12. chiily

    chiily PFM Special Builder

    It was a couple of your postings Alan that made me consider a Goldpoint; you are to blame!

    I had previous changed selector from a crude, cheap plastic thing to a Seiden 4 pole 6 way selector, which has the most glorious feel to it, something I would hope the Goldpoint would provide.

    [​IMG]
     
  13. YNWOAN

    YNWOAN 100% Analogue

    I'm up for fitting a Goldpoint to my Nac 72 but will it fit? It's not the diameter but the depth that concerns me - has anyone actually fitted one to a Nac 72 - surely the 321 boards are in the way?
     
  14. Pete MB&D

    Pete MB&D Pete Maddex, the one and only!

  15. chiily

    chiily PFM Special Builder

    Wow, that X4 Audio looks the biz, I bet it has a biz price too! It would the perfect thing, push to mute/unmite switch, up to 64 positions and IR remote control...I'm salivating :D: cool:
     
  16. YNWOAN

    YNWOAN 100% Analogue

    I'll have a look Pete :).
     
  17. 337alant

    337alant Negatively Biased

    oops sorry :D:D
    As others have said its the quality and reliability of the switch contact that makes the difference
    Alan
     
  18. Hempknight

    Hempknight pfm Member

    DACT attenuators look very well made too, does anyone use theirs ?
     
  19. tomek

    tomek pfm Member

  20. Tony L

    Tony L Administrator

    64 steps @1db probably means two monos would work to give a reasonable balance facility. Often with stepped attenuators the steps are just too large. It never ceases to amaze me how much audio kit these days lacks this most basic function!
     

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