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Sondek LP12 arm options

Discussion in 'audio' started by 749er, Nov 10, 2017.

  1. 749er

    749er Active Member

    hi
    Am considering upgrading my Systemdek 11X to a used Linn Sondek LP12.

    My question relates to arms. I understand that the EKOS is top of the range. Basik is the entry level arm but where do the Ittok and Akito sit ?

    Thanks
     
  2. JensenHealey

    JensenHealey pfm Member

    on the turntable... so far as I can see!
     
  3. scottcarpenter

    scottcarpenter pfm Member

    I would also like to hear opinions about other arms that one can fit to the LP12.

    I have a fairly high spec LP12 (Tangerine Plateau, Cirkus, Naim Geddon, Ittok, Prefix etc) and have long considered what other options there are without fitting an Ekos SE which seems to be the final and very expensive end game.
     
  4. YNWOAN

    YNWOAN 100% Analogue

    The Akito replaced the Basik, the Ittok was the top arm before the Ekos. However, it is worth considering that there are a number of versions of all these arms.

    Lots of arms will fit an LP12 as long as they are 9" long (which most are) and not extremely heavy). Pretty much any arm you are likely to consider will work, Rega, Alpahason, Origin Live, Logic, etc.
     
  5. YNWOAN

    YNWOAN 100% Analogue

    If your end game is an Ekos SE and you already own a good Ittok then there isn't a great deal of value in going to any interim step - just keep the Ittok until you can afford the SE.
     
  6. cre009

    cre009 Member

    My understanding is that Linn have usually had an entry level tonearm and an upmarket arm

    Originally the Linn Basik variants were entry level with Ittok as top of the range.

    The Akito then effectively replaced the Basik Plus and the Ekos eventually replaced the Ittok.

    There are variants of all the arms with later versions resolving issues with earlier variants. For example the early Ekos arms had a problem with sticky dials and the headshell was a little small for some cartridges. I have seen it claimed that late Akito's are superior to the Ittok but have no idea if that is correct.
     
  7. scottcarpenter

    scottcarpenter pfm Member

    Unfortunately that's what I have been thinking and planning for a while!

    Surely there must be something that comes close at a slightly more reasonable price!
     
  8. Rubicon

    Rubicon Member

    Hi,
    I too have stiletto/plateau/ Ittok combo and mighty fine it is.
    One of my considered upgrades is the arm,although it has already been rewired by J7 at Audio Origami and works extremely well.
    We're I to change the arm, J7's own PU7 or Uniarm would certainly be very strong contenders.
    I urge you to check them out.
    Bespoke arms at sensible prices.
    KR
    Andy
     
  9. scottcarpenter

    scottcarpenter pfm Member

    With today's range of manufacturers and choices I can't help thinking that there must a slightly more cost effective alternative to the Linn Ekos SE though.
     
  10. early

    early pfm Member

    I have used a Jelco SA750D on a LP12 , I thought it was great combo .
     
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  11. scottcarpenter

    scottcarpenter pfm Member

    I'd be interested to hear about anyone's experience of the PU7.

    It's a stunning looking arm.
     
  12. jair

    jair pfm Member

    Once heard Ekos v Aro through Naim/Epos system. Aro was better (more organic).

    Origin Live seem to get rave reviews, but bear in mind that with Linn/Rega/SME the resale values are high.
     
  13. Gromit

    Gromit Plasticine Dog

    Aboslutely this - at present I'm using a Roksan Nima which is a stunningly good arm, especially for the price. Works like a charm on the LP12 and feel no reason at all to upgrade. If I did, I'd be beating a path to Johnnie's door for a Uniarm but would have to get a really good listen to one vs the Nima.
     
  14. YNWOAN

    YNWOAN 100% Analogue

    Yes, potentially there are a great number of alternatives - it depends how far from the Linn axis you are prepared to venture. My friend Roger has recently experienced great success with a Zeta arm for example. However, the Zeta only exists as a second hand purchase these days and many of the arms likely to be in competition with the Ekos SE (and better than an Ittok) are going to be similarly expensive.

    Personally I prefer the Aro but that too is only available second hand and if you already own a Linn mount Keel isn't likely to be your choice as you would need a new Keel.
     
  15. chiily

    chiily PFM Special Builder

    You could hunt down a Mission 774. I'm loving mine.

    [​IMG]
     
  16. scottcarpenter

    scottcarpenter pfm Member

    A second hand Nima is a lot cheaper though
     
  17. Anh

    Anh Naim ghetto blaster


    ARO (if you can find one!)

    I wouldn't touch any tonearm from Linn IMHO.
     
  18. martin dawson

    martin dawson pfm Member

    I agree with Ann & Jair I use a Stiletto, Plateau, Armeggedon, Aro and Kiseki Blue NS absolutely Paradise for me. I’ve had the Aro for over 10 years one of the last ones built. What I like about Naim they hit right from the start no MK 1, 2’s etc.

    If you can find an Aro go for it I don’t know what the 2nd hand value is having a guess £1400?

    Regards,

    Martin
     
  19. stevec67

    stevec67 pfm Member

    Neglecting the times when they were available your Linn hierarchy goes Basik - Basik plus - Akito (I think there are 2 models) - Ittok (2 models again) - Ekos (2 models). As others say you are not stuck with Linn. My first LP12 came with a Notts Analogue. WTF, I thought, then played it and it's better than an Ittok. Said arm now lives on my Garrard 401 and I will keep it until everything else I possess is ashes.

    I like unipivots, so I'd be looking at Nimas, Aro (the only Naim product I have heard that I would allow in the front door), Notts, and maybe Mayware and Hadcock. The latter are cheap, the Aro hugely expensive. Worth the difference? Who knows?
     
  20. Dougie2404

    Dougie2404 pfm Member

    I have 2 PU7''s, a standard 9" which I have used for a long time , and a 12" (thanks Karl) which I'm going to put on a 401 . About the former, originally I was a little underwhelmed until I realised that the arm was producing less garbage than the Ittok I had been using previously. I would thourally recommend a PU7 to anybody looking for an arm.

    Another arm I would recommend is a Morch up4, I can't say it's better than an Aro as I haven't heard one, it at the moment I'm using one on my Linn and am very happy with it along with a Benz wood.
     

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