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System pics 2012 #2

Discussion in 'reference' started by Tw99, Oct 13, 2012.

  1. merlin

    merlin Avatar changed - Town names deemed offensive.

    David those 1038's look very nice in that room. The wood side cheeks add something.

    I do understand that the Focals take a fair while to run in. To be honest, I took the Diablos as part of a deal on a preamp and was really expecting to move them on and dislike them intensely.

    So I have been pleasantly surprised so far. Whilst I expected the treble to be superb, I did not expect the whole speaker to be so coherent and for that tweeter to be so well integrated with the (I hesitate to call it) woofer.

    What is coming out of the Focals bears no resemblance to the negativity that has built up around the brand on internet forums here in the UK. Not to my ears anyway.

    And the addition of the 5150 was indeed a good idea. It just provides a degree of ease that opens up the Diablos further with delightful warmth. The Focal Field Coil sub would be very interesting.
     
  2. Teddy Ray

    Teddy Ray pfm Member

    why does anyone use one sub?

    that always strikes me as odd. two or more are required for best response.
     
  3. merlin

    merlin Avatar changed - Town names deemed offensive.

    I agree but I'm a) limited on space and b) not in any need to have an even response in more thn one listening position.

    One good sub is perfectly adequate for my needs, certainly preferable to two typical boom boxes.
     
  4. davidf

    davidf pfm Member

    I thought one sub was great. Also, the 5150 is VERY big!
    Would take up alot of room to have 2 of them.
    Merlin, were you tempted to spring for the Focal Utopia sub. How much is it btw?
    (of note the jump in price to the Scala is huge).
    david
     
  5. merlin

    merlin Avatar changed - Town names deemed offensive.

    David the jumps in price really seem enormous. The Scala is another £10K, effectively for a couple of 11" bass units and a larger cabinet.

    The Focal Utopia EM subs would be perfect. Two of them. Acting as stands for the Diablos. Unfortunately they are about £7,500 each and are passive...

    The Linn does a good job for very little outlay.
     
  6. Teddy Ray

    Teddy Ray pfm Member

    there is more than one reason to have multiple subs..it is better all the way around, pretty much. if you enjoy it cool, but it always just strikes me as odd... to me it is nearly as strange as having one main speaker.
     
  7. Teddy Ray

    Teddy Ray pfm Member

    ah, the glory of audiophile speaker pricing.
    the jl fathom f112 are superb, not nearly that much, and are a standard of sorts in many, many upper tier studios. two would not be visually imposing. just one option if you ever want to optimize your LF.
     
  8. Joe P

    Joe P certified Buffologist / mod

    Mike,

    I've probably missed several dozens of posts explaining why you switched speakers, but what prompted the change from big JBLs?

    Joe
     
  9. merlin

    merlin Avatar changed - Town names deemed offensive.

    Multiple subs are theoretically better in all ways other than decor and domestic bliss - two of the main reasons people like me consider standmounts in the first place. Any subwoofer arrangement in such circumstances needs to be discrete surely?

    For me, firing subwoofers into a wall or corner is the best solution. I will experiment with the Linn there as I believe the base can be removed for horizontal use.

    The JL might well be a very good subwoofer. Personally however, I've yet to really get on with a sealed box with big excursion, heavyweight cone and massive amplifier. All of the ones I have heard have sounded over damped to me, they haven't allowed the bass to breath properly like say a large JBL or TAD can. As such, they have proven difficult to properly match with a properly damped amplifier and satellite that reaches down to the bottom octave.

    What would appeal about the Focal is that they could be used to run up to the lower mids and digitally crossed over and time aligned. The impact of doing this is remarkable. 100hz to 400hz is so very important IME and most subs simply cannot be used in that area. I can however build something for a fraction of the cost of the field coil Focal. As you say - pricing!
     
  10. merlin

    merlin Avatar changed - Town names deemed offensive.

    Ah back in the day I was Joe!

    When I built my TAD horns, I got a taste for that level of midrange transparency I guess. But then I spent nearly three years listening to a crap car stereo and an iPod.

    One day I'll find a pair of Alnico/beryllium JBL's that are at a price I can afford. Some K29900 or DD6600. I'll have to import as UK prices are silly but one day a pair will be mine! Until then I have to compromise.

    For me personally, these top Focals seem a surprisingly good compromise. I honestly thought they would be horrible.
     
  11. Joe P

    Joe P certified Buffologist / mod

    Mike,

    I understand. What ends up in your living room is driven by compromises you can live with, finances and availability.

    FWIW, it was you who prompted me to think outside my flat earth comfort zone and try something that, say, 10 years ago I never would have even considered.

    GRFs aren't perfect by any means and I'm well aware of their faults, but they press most of my buttons most of the time. Thanks, man. :)

    Joe
     
  12. merlin

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    Hi Joe, I suspect the 15" Tannoys are more my cup of tea - especially with some nice tubes in the engine room.

    I still have these cabinets in storage

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    I might well put some huge Volts in them and stick thrm under the Focals in the new year :)
     
  13. Joe P

    Joe P certified Buffologist / mod

    Mike,

    I haven't heard many of the Tannoy models, old or new, but of those I've demmed I like the ones with a 15-inch DC in a beeeeeeg cabinet best. It's a good place to be.

    Funny how I went from Royd Sorcerers to Tannoy GRFs in one step, though, as I was Mr. Mini Monitor Man for such a long time.

    Joe
     
  14. Tony L

    Tony L Administrator

    Those cabs look really good, I'm surprised you haven't just bought some nice old JBL / Altec drivers for them.
     
  15. merlin

    merlin Avatar changed - Town names deemed offensive.

    They are lovely Tony.

    Oak veneer. A laminate of 18mm Birch Ply over 25mm MDF. Heavily braced. Weigh about the same as a small Frigate.

    They wouldn't fit in the motorhome sadly..
     
  16. Tony L

    Tony L Administrator

    Superb, where did you get them built? My Monitor Golds' cabs:

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    ...are just pathetic by comparison - just as flimsy as real York cabs, and ugly too! That's a half inch ply baffle and the rest is three-quarter inch block-board! Nothing you'd call bracing either. They actually sound at their best with the back-doors unscrewed and just resting gently in place, anything tighter and resonances start to sound rather obvious.
     
  17. dave

    dave Plywood King

    A bit of Mortite as a support and seal to fix the rear panel resonance maybe?
     
  18. Tony L

    Tony L Administrator

    I don't think they merit any effort to be honest - I'm just viewing them as a free box to store the Golds in. I still don't know what my long-term plans are speaker-wise, I suspect it's between ESL63/988s and commissioning some very good cabs for the Golds, but it may take me some time to decide which. They are actually sounding very nice at present with their back door held on by one rather loose screw! They seem to like my new Quad amp.
     
  19. 73Chaz

    73Chaz pfm Member

    Nice shelves Tony. I am about to get some built and and don't want any sagging with several hundred LP per shelf. Thinking of a second cross peice parallel with the back wall.
     
  20. Cereal Killer

    Cereal Killer fourhundredandthirtytwo

    What's happens to the MEGs Tony?
     

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