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Thatcher and punk rock

Discussion in 'music' started by Joe Hutch, Oct 10, 2017.

  1. Joe Hutch

    Joe Hutch Can you hear Talvin Singh?

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-41567141

    Margaret Thatcher was briefed on the Sex Pistols and other punk bands in preparation for an interview with Smash Hits, newly released papers show.

    The PM was told she "may not enjoy" the 1987 interview but must show she was "still in touch with youngsters".

    Her officials described punk as a "very basic musical style featuring a strange bunch of anti-establishment acts".

    [...]

    In advance, she was warned that she may be asked "superficial questions which betray a lack of understanding" but the title had a huge circulation and she must appear "confident and relaxed".

    "You may not enjoy this interview," the briefing stated. "The challenge of the interview will be for you to demonstrate that just because you are not part of the pop scene, you are still in touch with youngsters and understand their needs."

    In preparation, Mrs Thatcher was briefed about current chart acts and also given a short history of punk music, despite the fact it had long petered out as a commercial and cultural force.

    "The punk era which hit the music world between 1976-1978 was a very basic musical style featuring a strange bunch of anti-establishment acts, most famous of which were The Sex Pistols with songs such as God Save The Queen and Anarchy In The UK," the note read.

    "Other punk acts such as The Clash and The Damned were popular for a while but when the Sex Pistols split up in 1978 the style died out, to be replaced by the current technological musical era featuring computers, synthesizers and videos."
     
  2. Tony L

    Tony L Administrator

    Surely everyone was gurning at bleeps and repetitive beats high on disco biscuits by 1987? They should have sent her to meet Shaun Ryder. I’d have paid good money to watch that.
     
  3. Joe Hutch

    Joe Hutch Can you hear Talvin Singh?

    I was knee-deep in nappies by then, and at 33 considered myself way too old to keep up with the pop scene. It was the year The Smiths broke up, that I do know. Husker Du also called it a day.
     
  4. windhoek

    windhoek pfm Member

    On the theme of Thatcher and music, I wondered to myself earlier why aren't there more mainstream music protests to all the shit that's going on these days. I listened to Lennon Legend earlier and a lot of songs on it such as Give Peace A Chance don't faff about when it comes to saying what's what. Punk did it. There was lots of protest music back in the day, I'm sure, but what about now, is Justin Beiber, One Direction, and other mainstream music the new opiate of the masses? I'm sure it hasn't always been like that. I'm only 44, so maybe it has.
     
  5. Tony L

    Tony L Administrator

    There are, they are just over in the rap genre. That is unquestionably where things are happening these days even if many of our age seldom notice.
     
  6. windhoek

    windhoek pfm Member

    Ah, I guess my finger isn't quite on the right beets and pulses. Beyoncé is as contemporary as it gets for me.
     
  7. Tony L

    Tony L Administrator

    She’s quite political in her own way. I don’t know her work well at all, but I get the impression the Lemonade album was fairly pointed lyrically.

    PS Some modern stuff is amazingly complex lyrically, I actually need an instruction manual to figure out what say Kendrick Lamar is on about it is so layered in double meaning etc. His last album, Damn, apparently being quite deeply religious much to my surprise. Thankfully there are websites that decode this stuff to an extent even middle-aged white guys can figure it out!
     
  8. gassor

    gassor "There may be more posts after this."

    D'Angelo is very musically complex as well as Kendrick, it sounds pretty subdued at first then when you start to hear more and more of what is going on - it's almost a brain overload.
     
  9. merlin

    merlin pfm Member

    [YOUTUBE]-K6YWX4OL0o[/YOUTUBE]
     
  10. Joe Hutch

    Joe Hutch Can you hear Talvin Singh?

    It is sometimes argued, a-historically, that punk was a reaction to Thatcher. An alternative, posited by Julie Burchill amongst others, is that punk, with its 'do it yourself' attitude, caused Thatcherism.
     

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