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The NHS want the Brexit cash they were promised

Discussion in 'off topic' started by The Far North, Nov 8, 2017.

  1. The Far North

    The Far North pfm Member

    No need to cover old ground on this one as there have been many threads, but is it brave or stupid of Mr Stevens to believe that the politicians will actually deliver a significant proportion of the £350m/week?

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-41908302
     
  2. wacko

    wacko pfm Member

    Why is everyone trying to get fired these days ? Have the pay-offs for Govt/public sector firings just been increased ?
     
  3. glancaster

    glancaster In the silicon vale

    I doubt he believes the claims and, even if he did, he wants extra money now rather than whenever we actually leave the EU. He's just trying to get extra money for his service with some headline grabbing statements, which I guess is part of his job.
     
  4. jackbarron

    jackbarron Stamford Bridge KGB

    Health Secretary Chunt has said that the £350 million a week won't happen until Brexit is a massive monetary success. There is more chance of him living in Buckingham Palace.

    He also stated that the £350 million promise isn't government policy, but stopped short of saying it was a lie made up by Johnson.

    Jack
     
    Last edited: Nov 8, 2017
  5. MikeMA

    MikeMA pfm Member

    It will be very interesting to see how this pans out, on so many different levels!
     
  6. billo

    billo pfm Member

    It will be interesting to hear what Boris (or even Shakespeare) has to say on this matter
     
  7. Nick_G

    Nick_G pfm Member

    Unfortunately all that cash is tied up in various tax-avoiding offshore accounts. Still, never mind eh? At least we’ve got our country back/taken back control/keeping Johnny Foreigner out.
     
  8. crimsondonkey

    crimsondonkey pfm Member

    Kind of a last ditch attempt by Simon Stevens to try to attract public support for the funding desperately needed as we head into winter, to make up for his failure to negotiate this with the Treasury in the first place.

    He's probably got 6 months or less left in the job so this is his final throw of the dice.
     
  9. wacko

    wacko pfm Member

    Ha ironically Brexit is the straw that will finally break the NHS back.
     
  10. andrewd

    andrewd pfm Member

    The government will need to find 80 billion to pay the divorce bill to EU, so more likely that the NHS budget will be halved. I think the fairest way to address this is to close all the hospitals in areas that voted for Brexit.
     
  11. Rodrat

    Rodrat pfm Member

    And refuse treatment to all Tory MP's who voted out against the majority views of their constituents. Or at least it would be a goer but I doubt there are many Tory MP's without private medical insurance.
     
  12. The Far North

    The Far North pfm Member

    Just as a matter of interest, do MPs have access to private health insurance via Parliament or via their party, or is it entirely a private matter?
     
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  13. TheDecameron

    TheDecameron Unicorns fart glitter.

    The irony is that Farage, Mogg, Banks, Tice and the rest, while demanding money back from the EU to pay the NHS, were dodging tax on an industrial scale while the rest of us cough up to keep public services on life support.
    I even heard the blathering Tory Kirsty Alsop on QT trying to disappear this shit with the most ridiculous example of whataboutery we've been treated to in a long time- "the lower classes are just as guilty because they buy duty free at airports".
     
  14. merlin

    merlin Avatar changed - Town names deemed offensive.

    I do hope the UK has the balls to organise No Tax riots next year - aimed at scaring the shit out of those who destroy society for their own personal gain. Militant? Sure. After 30 years I've given up on moderate.
     
  15. FireMoon

    FireMoon pfm Member

    The government won't have to find any 80 billion for the divorce bill merely pay what they've already agreed to as EU fiscal planning is done over a period of years and we leave before one we have already signed up for ends, it's another falsehood from the leave crowd.
     
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  16. TheDecameron

    TheDecameron Unicorns fart glitter.

    Lie: because of Brexit, we will have £350m a week extra for the NHS
    Reality: because of Brexit, the NHS is no longer affordable
     
  17. nicetone

    nicetone pfm Member

    I don’t normally watch QT - too depressing - but I switched on as Liz Truss was answering the tax dodging question saying how much had been/was being done by comparison with Labour etc, etc. Truss, Kirsty Allsop, and Charles Moore (who had already spoken but was chipping in) were all being defensive, sounding like apologists.

    Allsop came up with the diversionary and spurious claim that there is a culture of tax dodging throughout the country, quoting duty free, ISAs, Premium Bonds, house sellers pricing just below the next higher stamp duty band, cash in hand payments. Moore added that everyone one selling their house (which therefore included most people in this country!!) effectively avoided paying capital gains tax on the proceeds.

    It would have been easy to cut through all that BS, simply by saying that people buying duty free, or ISAs, or Premium Bonds, were doing so with money which in the vast majority of circumstances would have been net of tax already paid. Also, that whereas the likes of Allsop and Moore might own multiple houses as capital investments, the majority who own a house, own one house as occupiers. What was depressing was that no one, either from the panel (Stella Creasey was there for Labour) or the audience said anything like that and got side tracked by the minutiae. Pushover.
     
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  18. The Far North

    The Far North pfm Member

    Looking like Theresa has made up her mind that Simon is to be the fall guy this winter, regardless of her policies. Pathetic.

    The prime minister told Stevens that he would be held accountable for how well hospitals and GP services in England cope at a tense, previously unreported, meeting at Downing Street in September.
    Allies of the NHS England chief executive fear he is being lined up as “the fall guy” if a surge in seasonal illness this winter leaves hospitals struggling to meet sudden extra demand for care.


    https://www.theguardian.com/society...ill-be-accountable-for-nhs-winter-performance
     
  19. Sue Pertwee-Tyr

    Sue Pertwee-Tyr pfm Member

    This would explain his stance this week. If you corner a man and he has nothing to lose, don't be surprised if he fights as dirty as you do. Good for him.
     
  20. Still

    Still gyldengourd

    Could the thread be expanded to 'General Purpose Seeking What Was Promised From Brexit' please?
     

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