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Trump Part 11

Discussion in 'off topic' started by Gaius, Oct 24, 2017.

  1. Sue Pertwee-Tyr

    Sue Pertwee-Tyr pfm Member

    Perhaps we will start to see the Republican party begin to put distance between itself and DOTUS, if this is perceived as evidence of the likely mullering the party will receive at elections for the forseeable future.
     
  2. matthewr

    matthewr spɹɐʍʞɔɐq spɹoɔǝɹ ɹnoʎ sʎɐld

    And not just a victory but a crushing victory based on a huge Dem turnout in all the key demographics (i.e. wealthy suburban and minority communities). This looks a lot like an anti-Trump wave that gives hope for 2018.
     
  3. Sue Pertwee-Tyr

    Sue Pertwee-Tyr pfm Member

    The last woman who gave an anti Trump wave got sacked, as I recall.
     
  4. wacko

    wacko pfm Member

    Yes and she should be given a job by someone with some guts.
     
  5. Hook

    Hook pfm Member

    Have to assume this was a north Virginia-led, anti-Trump referendum, because the Dems did not run a very good campaign. I see this more as disaster averted.

    https://www.politico.com/magazine/s...election-democrats-infighting-215802?lo=ap_d1

    Also, the national level infighting did not help. On the positive side, if the Dems can get their act together in the next few months, there is still reason for optimism in the 2018 mids.
     
  6. PsB

    PsB Citizen of Nowhere™

  7. Hook

    Hook pfm Member

    Yes, it was once again a mostly urban versus rural vote, but fortunately, turnout was up in all urban areas.

    Most on the left were disappointed by Northam, especially as he tacked right during the last few weeks of the election. There was considerable fear yesterday that it would end badly. Am glad it didn’t!

    The debate will continue within the Democratic Party. Do we continue putting up moderates, and hope to attract swing voters? Or do we stand a better chance of regaining majorities with more progressive candidates, and a more excited base? Am guessing we will see different strategies in different states.
     
  8. vuk

    vuk \o/ choose anarchy

    it's a shame the DNC is playing with fire right now: alienating progressives and failing to reform their flawed, corporatist ways. if these things are not sorted out, it may all go wrong again in the next presidential election.

    vuk.
     
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  9. sean99

    sean99 pfm Member

    I think the required strategy is much more nuanced than you acknowledge. The race you run depends on where you are in the country and the #1 reason Hillary lost was misogyny. The most important message for democrats, sadly, is to run male candidates, unless they're in CA or the Northeast.
     
  10. notaclue

    notaclue pfm Member

  11. DonQuixote99

    DonQuixote99 pfm Member

    This will help legitimize people who actually need to do something to stop something, in the event, hopefully.

    Every little bit helps. It does leave on thinking a bigger bit is already overdue....
     
  12. Gaius

    Gaius Trade: Stiletto by Tangerine


    To be fair the Dems had a very good turn out.

    And they won!

    Given the nightmare of both Houses and indeed the White House I think the Dems look good for the mid terms, this could just return some balance.

    If the Dotard is not outed he will at least be paralysed.
     
  13. PsB

    PsB Citizen of Nowhere™

    Allegations that Roy Moore (GOP candidate for Sessions' old Alabama seat in the US Senate) initiated sexual contact with a 14-year old when he was a 32-yr old assistant DA (i.e. a long time ago) is likely to deepen the split between the GOP Establishment in D.C., who are calling for him to step down, and local Republican activists, who are circling the wagons to defend their man.

    The funniest defence of Moore came from Alabama State Auditor Jim Ziegler, who thinks it's all OK:
    “Take the Bible — Zachariah and Elizabeth, for instance. Zachariah was extremely old to marry Elizabeth and they became the parents of John the Baptist,” Ziegler says, choosing his words carefully before invoking Christ. “Also take Joseph and Mary. Mary was a teenager and Joseph was an adult carpenter. They became parents of Jesus.”
    “There’s just nothing immoral or illegal here,” Ziegler concluded. “Maybe just a little bit unusual.”
    WaPo articles:
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/woman-says-roy-moore-initiated-sexual-encounter-when-she-was-14-he-was-32/2017/11/09/1f495878-c293-11e7-afe9-4f60b5a6c4a0_story.html?utm_term=.238071973671&wpisrc=nl_daily202&wpmm=1
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/powe...6da1d2-c57b-11e7-84bc-5e285c7f4512_story.html
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news..._term=.3f21f02efbaa&wpisrc=nl_daily202&wpmm=1
    That should mix it up nicely for the rest of the campaign. The Republicans have a Senate Majority of 2.
     
  14. Yank

    Yank Bulbous Also Tapered

    Saudi Arabia's Prince Mohammed bin Salman has been talking a lot with Trump's son in law Jared Kushner. The big crackdowns in Saudi Arabia are the kinds of things that the Trump administration wishes it could do too.
     
  15. Craig B

    Craig B Re:trophile

    [Francis Griffin]He should have left poor Joseph out of it, as he was cuckold by God the Father with that whore Mary who sold her virginity to the Holy Spirit for a shot at assumption.[/Francis Griffin]
     
  16. chainrule

    chainrule gordon

    i thought mary was raped by a roman soldier, and made up the story about god impregnating her because she was too embarrassed to tell the truth.
     
  17. vuk

    vuk \o/ choose anarchy

    not sure how you can make that claim. i understand what you are getting at, but i would argue that any misogyny was a post-decision effect (by decision, i mean the cognitive evaluation of her at any point, not vote). note that misogyny didn't stop the people i assume you are referring to from being whipped into a frenzy by sarah palin when she burst on the scene. also, consider the fetish-like devotion to maragret thatcher by some people we know. when they are on their side, it's another matter altogether, if you see what i mean.

    also, to clarify, i was speaking of the next presidential battle, not senate and congressional races. the DNC has some serious issues right now with the "real" left. frank thomas does a nice job of tracing the roots of what has gone wrong and here is one fairly brief interview:




    vuk.
     
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  18. maxflinn

    maxflinn Always Trying To Be Logical

    Sean, she lost because she's a self-entitled neoliberal warmonger who ran a woeful campaign. She didn't even visit a few of the Rust Belt states where the election was won.

    Trump appealed more to more of the people in this area with his talk of creating jobs, ending the wars, stopping all the plants moving away etc.

    Were she not such a corrupt, power-hungry person there's a fair chance Bernie Sanders would now be president.

    She should F-off to retire somewhere and leave the Democratic Party alone so that there's some hope it may once again return to being the party of the working man, and not the party of the banks and military industrial complex. ie, Republican lite.
     
  19. Stunsworth

    Stunsworth pfm Member

    Yeah Max, but Trump is a warmongering unstable narcissist. You shilled for him all the way through the election campaign. Learn to live with the consequences.
     
  20. vuk

    vuk \o/ choose anarchy

    are you suggesting max was the reason she lost?


    vuk.
     
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