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£50bn question: do we want faster trains or limitless clean energy?

Discussion in 'off topic' started by auric, Jul 2, 2013.

  1. auric

    auric pfm Member

  2. TheDecameron

    TheDecameron Unicorns fart glitter.

    We wants it all
  3. auric

    auric pfm Member

    When do we want it!
  4. stevec67

    stevec67 pfm Member

    If I could offer limitless free power I would want a damn sight more than any £50Bn for it. That's under £1000 for every man, woman and child in the UK. £20 a week. I spend more than that on petrol.

    If they really can deliver at that price it's an absolute no-brainer, a steal. They can't though, because if they could they would have backers beating down the door. It's an absolute no-brainer.
    PsB and Bananahead like this.
  5. thebiglebowski

    thebiglebowski pfm Member

    Fusion train.
  6. russel

    russel ./_dazed_and_confused

    A Bussard fusion reactor would cost even less to fund, ridiculous its not being supported properly.


    Here is a lecture Robert Bussard gave at Google.

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  7. auric

    auric pfm Member

  8. Nic Robinson

    Nic Robinson Moderator

    Dunno about fusion, but the more I think about HS2 the less sensible is seems.
  9. steve watkins

    steve watkins pfm Member

    Chiltern trains have already shaved 20 mins off the time from central Birmingham to London further diminishing any time benefit, Ha ha ha, offered by HS2 and are expecting further time savings with improved signalling. In addition Chiltern Trains, owned by Deutsche Bahn, ( is any one surprised it it not owned by a UK concern?) built their own station at Banbury for half the cost of the estimate put forward by the stunningly useless Network Rail.
    With HS2s costs rising 30% every 2 years and the DfT having been caught out, once again, using out of date, 6 year old skewed to them, test criteria and three year old, out of date estimates for current costs, how much longer will we have to wait until HS2 goes off the rails for good and a line is drawn under the 2 billion already wasted. No wonder they don't want to publish any accounts. Had we spent that money wisely we would already be halfway to the extra capacity they, for some reason, crave, without the necessity to pour further concrete all over the UK countryside.
    Civil servants should pay the price for their fcuk ups not the taxpayer. It is time to sweep the Dft clean and start again. Already £30 billion in debt and they want to add more!
    It is now quite clear, even to the Public Accounts Committee just how big a white elephant HS2 is.
    With respect to the OP, his question really should have been at least a £100 billion one and probably considerably more.
  10. russel

    russel ./_dazed_and_confused

    I am beginning to wonder if the real reason for this project is the fact that a lot of MPs are Lawyers and the squabbling in the courts over land use will get their mates on the gravy train long before any real train sees the light of day.
  11. auric

    auric pfm Member

    A gravy train for some or limitless clean energy for all?
    You don't need to be an MP to see which way to vote.
  12. LesW

    LesW Retired at user request

    There are substantial remains of the last main line to be built in England.

    With a bit of forethought and some disruption to certain cities such as
    Leicester and Nottingham, this line - build incidentally to international
    standards in the late 1800s, could conceivably be reinstated at a fraction
    of the cost of HS2.

  13. KC Cantiaci

    KC Cantiaci pfm Member

    Definitely go for a fusion reactor. The UK could become a leader in a major field again. And I would not build nuclear reactors for the shorter term but Thorium ones.

    What I still can't get my head around is how or why govt departments responsible for spending get their sums so wrong......all the time. Worse than bloody useless. The recently announced HS2 cost increases alone should be enough to shelve the idea because I doubt it would stop at £50bn.
  14. muzzer

    muzzer Numb Nut

    Who on Earth wants to go to London?
    Snufkin likes this.
  15. Mullardman

    Mullardman Moderately extreme...

    Interesting point Les.
    Though I suspect that putting back the bit of the Great Central which ran through Nottm might prove somewhat fraught now. Irrespective of the fact that the Nottm City section is now completely built over and all the tunnels
    filled in, the same practice continued at least as far as the bit that use to pass the end of our street in Bulwell.

    A major diversion needed I think.
  16. Mullardman

    Mullardman Moderately extreme...

    Well.... it's north of Watford innit! Wot do vem flatcappers want wiv a railway line? ;)
  17. auric

    auric pfm Member

    How else do men walking at 5mph & carrying a flag find employment?
  18. kendo

    kendo Prussian bot

  19. Richard Nichola

    Richard Nichola pfm Member

    We're already massively investing in fusion. What do you think ultimately powers all those wind farms?
    darrenyeats likes this.
  20. stevec67

    stevec67 pfm Member

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