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2035 - the end of the Internal combustion engined cars. (Uk)

Discussion in 'off topic' started by tones, Feb 4, 2020.

  1. tones

    tones Tones deaf

  2. Roger Adams

    Roger Adams pfm Member

    Not extreme if you are an eleven year old.
     
  3. davidsrsb

    davidsrsb pfm Member

    Nor optimistic if you are a politician, as 2035 does not force them to do anything significant now.
    Only bringing the cutoff before 2030 would have an effect during the current government
     
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  4. Mullardman

    Mullardman Moderately extreme...

    Typcal Johnson diversion. An environmental version of 'jam tomorrow'.
     
  5. stevec67

    stevec67 pfm Member

    This time next year, Rodders...
     
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  6. Rack Kit

    Rack Kit pfm Member

  7. Snufkin

    Snufkin pfm Member

    The way our glorious leaders are going I suspect the UK will implode long before we get to 2035.
     
  8. tones

    tones Tones deaf

    See also thread "A bit extreme..."
     
  9. Snufkin

    Snufkin pfm Member

  10. Stunsworth

    Stunsworth pfm Member

    Where are the millions of charging posts going to go, and who will install them?
     
  11. stevec67

    stevec67 pfm Member

    (a)Where they are needed.
    (b)Electricians. Just like we didn't have the internet 20 years ago, who installed all that?
     
  12. Bob McC

    Bob McC Living the life of Riley

    The end?
    I doubt it.
    There will still be hundreds of thousands on the roads if not millions.
    It’s just new sales that will end.
     
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  13. slavedata

    slavedata pfm Member

    Will need a very big push on charging infrastructure.
     
  14. Richard Lines

    Richard Lines pfm Member

    Good Afternoon All,

    I wonder how many nay sayers will contribute to this thread as it has started already.

    My greatest concern the mentioning of such as workplace charging, completely and utterly the wrong way to go as it moves charging to 'on peak' and that simply won't work in terms of achieving emissions targets. The issue of charging vehicles where there is genuinely no off street parking options will be a significant challenge though. Significant legislation will need to be introduced to mandate it.

    Regards

    Richard
     
  15. Vinny

    Vinny pfm Member

    From what I heard on the radio this morning, it is personal transport (cars and vans) new sales that are to be banned. The last that I heard was that they were a LONG way from any kind of commercial transport to replace diesel.

    Personally, I would have thought that hydrogen-fuelled combustion engines was a FAR more practical and workable way to go than electric, or even hydrogen-fuel-cell-powered electric, not battery-powered electric - both WAY simpler on the infrastructure demands and no recharging, just refuelling, even if taking SLIGHTLY longer than with liquid fuels.
    They seemed to have been close to developing very highly hydrogen-adsorbent materials years ago, so that there was no need for pressure vessel fuel tanks for hydrogen. LPG-fuelled vehicles have been around for tens of years, not so very far from hydrogen-fuelled.
     
  16. The Far North

    The Far North pfm Member

    Just another fantasy soundbite from the master of the genre. He had to say something positive on climate and 15 years in the future is absolutely no promise whatsoever.
     
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  17. Stunsworth

    Stunsworth pfm Member

    I had the internet over 20 years ago - it used the existing telephone lines. Cable came a bit later of course (though it was available by 2000), but even today there are areas that haven’t been cabled.
     
  18. Vinny

    Vinny pfm Member

    Somewhat missing the point really - utc et al had already committed to only 5 years later.

    Nobody believes that entirely carbon-free personal transport will be feasible in 20 years, politicians of any and all stripe can pontificate away, it will make no odds.
     
  19. Vinny

    Vinny pfm Member

    Sadly, we are talking kW as compared to mW in terms of distribution, and let's not get into generation....................

    In 2018, the UK used over 36 million tonnes of petroleum products for road transport. I am trying to find what that equates to in GWhr (and hence how many power stations), but it will be one HELL of a lot.

    https://assets.publishing.service.g...t_data/file/840015/DUKES_2019_MASTER_COPY.pdf
     
  20. Rockmeister

    Rockmeister pfm Member

    why charge a hydrogen fuel cell?
    or a hybrid regenerating some of it's own electric?
    Or why not when you get home, trickling overnight when power damnd nationally is low.

    How many of us live and work in cities, or more than 20 or 30 miles from home. Any electric car will cover those distances.
    Londoners probably are in deeper probs, many with no parking let alone charging and theft problems will be HUGE...hence hydrogen fuel cell as the real future. It's happening already as it slowly drifts through the government collective skull that those electric car probs are very tough to solve.

    15 years is two car life spans, and it's only new car sales even then. Petrol and diesl will probably run on another 10 years, so maybe 25 years to solve this and replace the infrastructure. That should self solve anyway if it IS Hydrogen. I think Shell and Esso et all will be quite keen to retain a market share in supplying the motor industry and can fairly simply convert stations to Hydrogen over the years surely. 1 pump in each station within say 2 years and ten in 20 years time. There will be a diesel pump still in a shame corner, where children gather to throw tomatoes at anyone using it. Job done.
     

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