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Audiophiles and Snake Oil...

Discussion in 'audio' started by G T Audio, Jan 24, 2020.

  1. thebiglebowski

    thebiglebowski pfm Member

    Quantum and quad are not the same thing.
  2. Cereal Killer

    Cereal Killer 432 Point5

    Yes I get that, I was just being tenuous ...
  3. narabdela

    narabdela who?

    I doubt it. Anyone who wasn’t sceptical of that pseudo-scientific bollox wouldn’t have been smart enough to notice the spelling howler. ;)
  4. Cereal Killer

    Cereal Killer 432 Point5

    At least they do not claim to be anything but subjective here:

    "Subjective improvements include better timbral accuracy where separate instruments and voices take on a new degree of life-like realism"

    Maybe they spell differently in California ?
  5. vln

    vln Shuns mooks. And MQA.

  6. seethroughyou

    seethroughyou pfm Member

    On the surface he sounds knowledgable, convincing perhaps seductive but when you see his other reviews it’s the same ole same ole “this is definitely better because I can hear it and I said so and you aren’t spending enough to get rid of this issue and that issue ...” He is part of the snake oil mumbo jumbo problem that has alienated an entire generation of young people from Hifi (not to mention the very special breed of veil lifting upgraditis golden eared audiophiles and the greedy dealers that push 5-figure components otherwise it’s no good).
    narabdela, SteveS1, booja30 and 3 others like this.
  7. Alex S

    Alex S carbon based lifeform

    Indeed. When it got to Auralic he couldn’t help himself .
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  8. suzywong

    suzywong Wot, no electrons?

    Not one of his better vids........
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  9. Mr Pig

    Mr Pig ^'- -'^

    Do you really think that's what the problem is? Most people don't care about hi-fi because most people never did.
    pjdowns likes this.
  10. garyi

    garyi leave blank

    I like his iDvd style intro texts, and 'swosh' noise.
  11. Folkman

    Folkman pfm Member

    'have I got bad news for you' --- what a laugh. Just a load of personal opinion and likes / dislikes.
    seethroughyou likes this.
  12. piccadilly

    piccadilly pfm Member

    Remember Peter Belt?
    SteveS1 and Emlin like this.
  13. narabdela

    narabdela who?

    At least his BS was (mostly)inexpensive. I think he was genuinely bonkers rather than dishonest.
    Emlin likes this.
  14. Jonathan

    Jonathan pfm Member

    It seems a lot of people - at least those i see outside of the 'high end' community etc have a strong tendency toward expectation bias (not that we don't) simply based on their own MODEL of what is or is not possible - often this this may have to do with poring over spec sheets and reducing the possibilities to frequency range, tonal balance, and background noise (S/N ratio) and not much more. I was demoing a really really nice mic that I thought had amazing dynamics and a kind of (please permit me) '3D' presentation to a musician friend - and his only real observations were 'yeah good treble - good bass'. NOT to say that US audio folk aren't limited by our own models either however - the language we use tends to limit what we 'see into' the music i think. So anyway i think this is a kind of interesting aspect of how language shapes our experience or perception. I have a tendency to think that typical specs are next to useless in a world were nearly ALL audio equipment meets basic 20hz-20khz type specs ... as i'm sure MOST here will agree there are really no specifications for 'quality'. I don't see it as a major problem that we are forced to describe audio reproduction with flowery words. Words are evocative and connote experience. Sorry about this 'word pablum' by the way - just a few things that have been on my mind for a while and needed to get down 'on paper' as it were.
  15. Jonathan

    Jonathan pfm Member

    he had a very good point though about studio monitors
  16. Cereal Killer

    Cereal Killer 432 Point5

    Very well put Jonathan, totally agree with your sentiment.
  17. david ellwood

    david ellwood Kirabosi Kognoscente

    He lost all credibility with me at the point an oscilloscope was positioned mirroring his head. I held strong though and made it as far as his explanations of the meanings of the words hifi and audiophile. I think I did well.
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  18. Cereal Killer

    Cereal Killer 432 Point5

    The fact he’s making the vid in the first place is enough really ...
  19. Folkman

    Folkman pfm Member

    Not at all , again he's just generalising. Some of the best speakers ive ever heard , and use , are domesticated studio monitors.
    seethroughyou likes this.
  20. Whaleblue

    Whaleblue Southbound

    Yup. It’s like music too.

    Beethoven’s 5th can be encapsulated as essentially just “Duh, Duh, Duh Durr”.
    awkwardbydesign and Mr Pig like this.

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