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Boycott knighted - the ramifications.

Discussion in 'off topic' started by Andrew C!, Sep 11, 2019.

  1. Frankiesays

    Frankiesays Rats is life.

    Funny, I've heard exactly the same about the Italians and 'not losing face', it must just be a continental thing eh? Us Brits are just so laid back!
     
  2. richgilb

    richgilb Admonishtrator

    I suspect but am likely going to get shot down here, that humility and self deprecation is more common in north Europeans, Germany, Holland, UK, Ireland, Norway, Denmark, Sweden, Finland. So being laid back may be neither here nor there in this context.
     
  3. TheDecameron

    TheDecameron Unicorns fart glitter.

    I find Southern European food too greasy for my likin. It’s all that olive oil they put in everythin.
     
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  4. richgilb

    richgilb Admonishtrator

    Shurrup and get back to frying mars bars.
     
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  5. TheDecameron

    TheDecameron Unicorns fart glitter.

    I love the smell of deep fried trope in the morning.
     
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  6. Woodface

    Woodface pfm Member

    I really dislike the whole deification of certain parts of Europe compared to our good selves. Ultimately each nation has its pros & cons, a lot of the latter seem to be excused if the weather is nice.
     
  7. richgilb

    richgilb Admonishtrator

    But nice weather lifts the mood. And everything looks so much better than North Sea horizontal rain. It's not unreasonable to go onto assume overall things are better.

    It's a marginal gain, I confess.
     
  8. richgilb

    richgilb Admonishtrator

    I thought it was also in the afternoon and evening. The mars bars I mean.
     
  9. Woodface

    Woodface pfm Member

    I remember ages ago I was on stag do & one of the attendees was an archetypal 'i've been travelling' types, he kept banging on a out how great Canada was, miles better than UK etc etc. I asked him why he didn't stay there, "I couldn't get a decent job or a place to live".
     
  10. Sue Pertwee-Tyr

    Sue Pertwee-Tyr pfm Member

    There is plenty of precedent for honours being subsequently removed when bad stuff comes to light, the most obvious being Savile. In his case, there was evidently some disquiet about the granting of the honours in the first place, among some who knew him, or knew his reputation. It is right, I think, that the nation shouldn't honour a person who has been found to have significant flaws, despite whatever positive acts led to their nomination. There's a balance to be struck, so there's a line to be drawn.

    The question, then, is where is the line to be drawn. Clearly predatory sexual behaviour is way beyond the line, as would be embezzlement or a flagrant disregard for the law, IMV. Less clear-cut are the sort of character flaws which seem to drive some people to particular success.

    In the case of Boycott, there is a specific incident for which he was tried and found guilty. There is also a tendency toward aggression, verbal and otherwise, which might lead one to reasonably wonder whether the incident in question was an isolated one. People honoured by the state are, in a sense, being held up as role models. It is not simply a transactional process - reward for services rendered. That's why it is right to remove honours, even if the services were indeed rendered.

    So the question here is whether, given the history, you could or would hold Boycott up to be a role model. My feeling is that, since he continues to deny the offence, and has continued in his irascibility, he falls short of the standards required of a role model, so the honour is inappropriate.
     
  11. richgilb

    richgilb Admonishtrator

    There are certainly some crashing expat bores. I suppose it is when you are on your first tour that you are a bit like that. I used to swear I would never leave Thailand....and then I lost my job. And my apartment with swimming pool. And it was back to UK or TEFL.....
     
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  12. Frankiesays

    Frankiesays Rats is life.

    You should have told him to get montreal.
     
  13. Frankiesays

    Frankiesays Rats is life.

    Do we expect the same standards of other public role models such as rock stars for instance?
     
  14. gintonic

    gintonic 50 shades of grey pussy cats

    nah Toronto, full of idiots I hear.
     
  15. richgilb

    richgilb Admonishtrator

    What are you referring to when you say 'and otherwise'?
     
  16. TheDecameron

    TheDecameron Unicorns fart glitter.

    Where’s my chapati?
     
  17. richgilb

    richgilb Admonishtrator

    A chapati would never have made the distance, nor would it have had the same biblical impact on his bowl of slop.
     
  18. TheDecameron

    TheDecameron Unicorns fart glitter.

    I’ve got quite a good nose for trouble in pubs. A friend moved to a village and took me into his new local and within about five seconds I said to him this place is dodgy.....“nah, there’s no way there’d be trouble in here”. I think his jaw had only just shut when a guy got up and poured a pint over a woman’s head then another customer picked up a bar stool by the legs and was about to bring it down on the pourer’s head, when the barman who was obviously an adept behavioural therapist, stepped out and quietly took the stool out of his hands when it was vertically above his head and ready to come down. Bear in mind this was about 2pm on a Saturday afternoon.
     
  19. richgilb

    richgilb Admonishtrator

    Which part of Scotland was this in, Hugh?
     
  20. TheDecameron

    TheDecameron Unicorns fart glitter.

    Ayrshire. You’ll love the irony- the actor who plays Rab C. Nesbit lives in the village.
     

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