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Brexit= English Nationalism

Discussion in 'off topic' started by TheDecameron, May 13, 2017.

  1. TheDecameron

    TheDecameron Unicorns fart glitter.

  2. Barrymagrec

    Barrymagrec pfm Member

    I`d have thought just short sighted ignorant bigotry but I see your point.

    Not entirely restricted to England either.

    Also massively encouraged by the likes of the Sun, Telegraph and Mail.
     
  3. TPA

    TPA Trade: Tiger Paw

    I doubt it would have happened if we'd been full members with Euro and Schengen area.
     
  4. Philim

    Philim pfm Member

    Brexit = mix of:

    1. Desire to stop the level of demographic change taking place in most large cities across UK.
    2. Blatant racism towards the nations that are making up population growth over last few years
    3. Concern over population growth. These concerns relate to ability of services to expand in line with population growth, resentment of those using services without fully contributing, concerns over the impact on UK countryside by just building another million homes.
    4. Impacts on the lowest paid workers of expanding this pool of labour uncontrolled.
    5. Dislike or distrust of any type of control by a foreign influence
    6. Belief that being free of eu control we will have greater freedom to trade potentially leading to greater economic opportunity.
    7. A feeling that the EU has gone too far without agreement or discussion with voters. From a trading agreement to a separate united country.
    8. A feeling that the EU has expanded too far into countries which are an economic burden.
    9. The Europeans hate us anyway.
    10. A mix of above.

    On the nationalism point which your are clearly raising as a disguised term for bigotry, racism, etc. I personally don't have a problem with a reasonable level of national pride. We are a great nation despite this wobble. There are few countries that offer a stable, safe, non corrupt place to live your life. Crap weather though.
    I understand the far left find Britain a hateful and want to destroy it but not all of us do.
     
  5. Snufkin

    Snufkin pfm Member

    I like our weather and feel sorry for people who have to live in hot climates. I would argue that 'our weather' is possibly the most important factor and defines being British. I don't think the far left hate Britain at all. They may hate the way its a place that seems tilted towards the few at the expense of the many.
     
  6. richgilb

    richgilb Admonishtrator

    Probably.

    Now what about Scotland?
     
  7. MikeMA

    MikeMA pfm Member

    Aided and abetted by the Welsh....
     
  8. sq225917

    sq225917 situation engineer

    I agree with points seven and eight, does that mean I should vote ukip?
     
  9. Cheese

    Cheese Bitter lover

    Dec is apparently running after the record of best topic-starter. If only the topics had any relevance.
     
  10. Colin L

    Colin L pfm Member

    So Cheese, who or what defines relevance.
     
  11. Philim

    Philim pfm Member

    Weather was meant tongue in cheek and as you say part of being British :)

    There has always been an element of the left wing which hates some of our history and elements which make us british but that I think is part of the bitter politics that some in the far left follow.
     
  12. Philim

    Philim pfm Member

    I think that puts you among the feelings of the majority of people who want brexit. (I'm not suggesting you did). There are so many reasons for people to blame and get angry about the EU that most people can find a reason.
    Sadly the benefits are often overlooked or blended into everyday we don't realise or appreciate.
     
  13. Joe Hutch

    Joe Hutch Mate of the bloke

    Javelinn.
     
  14. merlin

    merlin Avatar changed - Town names deemed offensive.

    Brexit is the result of the eradication of socialism through corporate greed and disease.
     
  15. Robby

    Robby pfm Member

    As has been mentioned before I think nationalism is on the rise in many countries. Whilst Le Pen lost in France around a third of the country voted for her which when you look at what she stands for is frightening and hopefully not a stepping stone for her being president in 5 years time.

    Then there's Trump - say no more.

    Like any voting much of the reasoning is complex, rhetoric based and totally illogical.

    It saddens me that the Welsh and Scottish "leaders" cannot see the damage they are doing with their nationalist rhetoric - especially Nicola Sturgeon (who I admire very much as a politician) with her stance of we want to be independent but also in the EU.
     
  16. Robby

    Robby pfm Member

    Absolutely.
     
  17. Rockmeister

    Rockmeister pfm Member

    I think PFM could have a sub forum.
    PFMASC
    PinkFishMediaAnarchoSyndaclistCommune.
    Look look, we're being repressed! Come and see the repression inherent in the system! :)

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R7qT-C-0ajI
     
  18. eternumviti

    eternumviti Bloviating Brexiter

    Brexit = English Nationalism

    There is a presumption in the question, I think, that nationalism is a dirty word. Why is it, then, that this applies only to 'English' nationalism, whilst not to Scottish nationalism, as in Scottish nationalism being apparently benign, open-minded, worldly and good, and English nationalism as standing variously for small-mindedness, introspection, suspicion, hatred and xenophobia?

    Nationalism defined as pride in or loyalty to one's country is surely a positive, and attribute. 'Extreme nationalism', by contrast, is a different creature altogether. So the assumption must be that you see English nationalism as representing the worst aspects of human nature, whilst Scottish nationalism as being a fine thing, somehow representing the most generous of human characteristics.
     
  19. gassor

    gassor There may be more posts after this.

    Nationalism and Brexit are two sides of the same coin, which can be explained by the less well off are getting more and more pissed off.
     
  20. TheDecameron

    TheDecameron Unicorns fart glitter.

    ..err, have you noticed what the governing party in Scotland is called? Thank you for sharing your own qualifications and presumptions- I made none.
     

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