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Christmas Wine

Discussion in 'off topic' started by eternumviti, Dec 24, 2018.

  1. eternumviti

    eternumviti pfm Member

    I certainly wouldn't care to stick my head too far above the parapet now, though techniques have changed, there's a far deeper understanding now, within which a reversion to pre-industrial viticulture and winemaking holds the upper ground. When I worked in Champagne the vineyards were still used as the City of Paris rubbish tip, and that was considered to be a perfectly reasonable thing. Beggars belief.

    Some palates fade. Mine has, I have to concentrate twice as hard now at tastings, but I know plenty of professionals who taste as well in their 60s as when they were 25.

    Did you say you live in Burgundy?
  2. avole

    avole The wise never post on Internet forums

    Yes, I do, but not near the classic Burgundy vineyards.
  3. wacko

    wacko pfm Member

    My palate fades on the second glass but makes a strong come back on the fourth when I can pontificate at length about fruit, structure and, well, length ;)
    I imagine that professional wine tasting is not much fun at all.
    And I think we should leave the thread title unchanged as it wrong foots curmudgeons who would otherwise burst in shouting that any wine over £4.99 is an extravagance and we are all champagne socialists (which we may well be).
  4. Marchbanks

    Marchbanks Golly, do I ever have a lot of soul!

    What’s wrong with being a curmudgeon? I used to call myself a practicing curmudgeon until I realized I’d got it pretty much perfect. Of course any wine over £4.99 is an extravagance - I don’t let it stop me though. I think I want to be a Châteauneuf socialist if it’s OK with you - I can take champagne or leave it (but always the latter if there is any proper wine as an alternative.)

    I think to keep the riff-raff away we need the most boring thread title imaginable that no-one in their right mind would bother with. I think my strongest idea so far is ‘Bathplug sizes.’
  5. kennyh

    kennyh pfm Member

    This week.....oi's mostly bin drinkin' Macon Lugny.
  6. wacko

    wacko pfm Member

    Oh yes we old farts are often curmudgeons, but that is different from other people being curmudgeons about stuff we like of course.
    Went to one those large boring function things a while back and the white & red wine was dire but they had real champagne: most peculiar.
    Would normally choose red but I usually want some food with/before it. Can also get a bit jaded after too many days of it and drink something else to reset.
    Xmas spirit could get us through the year.
  7. wacko

    wacko pfm Member

    I used to drink a bit of that in my yoof.
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  8. wacko

    wacko pfm Member

    After a few days on the wagon was looking forward to some red tonight but wife has got some fish ("healthier" or some such nonsense). I have some PN that might be OK but I reckon it is a setup as she prefers white. I do prefer red especially in winter. Its my red line and I don't have a backstop in place. Tricky one with VDay coming up.
  9. Marchbanks

    Marchbanks Golly, do I ever have a lot of soul!

    I suggest you tell your wife the choice is your Wine or no Wine. It is the Will of the People (ie half of them.) If she writes you a letter detailing her alternatives tell her they are simply unacceptable and after an hour or so of doing nothing repeat The Choice. If she complains that the fish is already out of the fridge, the pan is heating up and you are running down the clock just to force her into accepting your Wine, barefacedly tell her that is not true.

    Let us know how it goes. It might give some useful pointers.
  10. wacko

    wacko pfm Member

    Are you trying to get me filleted ?
    If I stay calm I will get to choose the white wine at least. Thats Norway +.
    I could be super reasonable and sensible by opening both and we both have a bit of what we want. Thats Canada ++.
  11. wacko

    wacko pfm Member

    Sorted: she will do the fish Thai style, and I will open a Ch Ste Michelle Eroica Riesling I've been wanting to taste.
  12. wacko

    wacko pfm Member

    The Eroica is nice enough but it won't bother the stuff in Marchbank Towers judging by the car boot photo. I have a couple more bottles of it. The food smells nice though...
  13. Marchbanks

    Marchbanks Golly, do I ever have a lot of soul!

    I had to look that one up too (I keep telling you I’m a pleb.) I got it at the second attempt, having searched for Erotica the first time. Autofill was to blame, and that will always be my story. Was this one of the collaborations with Dr Loosen? That’s a name that always gives me cause to snigger like a schoolboy.

    I have now tried the 2014 Télégramme and 2014 Mégaphone - although in absolute terms I preferred the former I didn’t think it was worth the asking price. The latter on the other hand is excellent value IMO. And as the HoT 15% off offer (Fayne Wayne not included, but they don’t think Mégaphone is) doesn’t finish until Thursday I think a few more 2015s might wing their way over.

    Regarding my car boot, I feel like I’m on a mission regarding the Ernest Burn wines. It is inconceivable that they can’t be bought in the UK. You have to try one. How far are you from the People’s Republic of Warwickshire?
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  14. Sue Pertwee-Tyr

    Sue Pertwee-Tyr pfm Member

    Norway + is being told what wine you are having, but being given the chance to object before the bottle is opened and served anyway. Canada + is being given a more limited choice of wines, most of which you don't like, and being able to choose the one you dislike least, to drink with dinner.
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  15. wacko

    wacko pfm Member

    Yes Erotica with Dr Loosen. As so often with a sexy build-up slightly disappointing in reality.
    I'm not near PRW but you are too kind: perhaps one day we'll do a joint trip there. I've heard that only Brexiteers will pay import duty after 29th March. :)
    I had 2012 Telegramme, and you the 2014: but we really should have the 2015/16s.
    Interesting that the New World seems to have caught up on Sauvignon Blanc and Chardonnay, but not Riesling. At least not that I'm aware of.
    And tomorrow has got to be a champagne day whether we like it or not. Its just written in stone somewhere in Epernay.
  16. Marchbanks

    Marchbanks Golly, do I ever have a lot of soul!

    I think I saw that as I drove through the area last week. It said “Celebration=Money” or something similar.

    Something that came out of my visit chez Burn - I mentioned that I had been surprised to see some of their wine in the Auchan wine fair last autumn, but had assumed it was some kind of special bottling as the ‘la Chapelle’ sub-lieu-dit wasn’t mentioned on the label. (See here.)

    ‘Au contraire’ said Mme Burn ‘it’s a fully-fledged Goldert/St Imer/Chapelle, but the labels were printed wrongly. Look at the one you are drinking now!’ Sure enough, the label was the same as the one in the photo. So not only had I picked up three bottles of a 19€ Goldert in the wine fair in September at 14.50€, I got another for 10€ when it was a -30% clearance item in December. Of course, having tasted it I decided four was not enough, so felt the need to buy two more at the full price.

    When I asked her why their wines weren’t available in the UK, she basically said that the paperwork involved making them so would be too much like hard work - they much prefer the winemaking part of the job to the business part. So I wouldn’t hold out too much hope of seeing them over here post-Customs union.

    I also asked Mme Burn about the decision to make a VT wine. I had rather naively thought the winemaker woke up one morning, thought ‘nice sunny autumn, I’ll leave the grapes a bit, pick ‘em late and if it turns out well slap VT on the label.’ Not exactly. The story of the process involved (declaration, bureaucracy, visits, checks and measurements every step of the way from the Alsace wine confederation officials) took five minutes to explain. My glass was empty by the end.

    I recounted the story at another domaine later in the week. The response was eye-rolling and a wry smile. ‘That’s why we don’t bother with VT’ I was told.
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  17. Marchbanks

    Marchbanks Golly, do I ever have a lot of soul!

    4x2015 (£15.99) and 4x2014 (special offer £11.99) ordered. Add code GIFT15 at the checkout and you get 15% off the 2015s (brings price to £13.59.) Total £102 for eight bottles. Free delivery as it is over £100. 15% off code expires tomorrow.
  18. eternumviti

    eternumviti pfm Member

    Grab it, 2015 is lovely. The 2016 Megaphone is now almost gone, and 2017 is shipping. There isn't a lot of it.

    Megaphone is a delightful wine, not too big or heavy, has poise, freshness and balance.
  19. wacko

    wacko pfm Member

    Why order any 2014 when 2015 is so much better for a measly £1.60 more ?
  20. Marchbanks

    Marchbanks Golly, do I ever have a lot of soul!

    That is a fair point, and one to which I don’t have an entirely convincing answer. The best I can do is to say I liked the 2014 but haven’t tried the 2015 yet. But as it stands to reason the 2015 should be better I will try to change my order first thing tomorrow.

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