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Classic British Modern & Free Jazz Recommendations

Discussion in 'music' started by poco a poco, Jun 27, 2019.

  1. Seeker_UK

    Seeker_UK Waiting for the streetcar..

    He used to play for Russ Conway too.
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  2. poco a poco

    poco a poco pfm Member

    You beat me to it I was going to recommend both of these at some point. I have vinyl originals of both. Plenty of great John Surman stuff and I will add Ray Russell's - Rites and Rituals from 1970 to Dragon Hill.
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  3. poco a poco

    poco a poco pfm Member

    Just in case this thread gets too serious this is for Graham:

    Kathy Kirby and Sandy Shaw were both born fairly near where I lived, but it was Sandy I had a crush on as she is only a few days older than me. :);)
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  4. Tantris

    Tantris pfm Member

    One of my favourite Tony Oxley recordings, outside of his work with Cecil Taylor, is 'Coe, Oxley & Co – Nutty (on) Willisau';

    Alongside the Spontaneous Music Ensemble, two other improvising groups are worth mentioning;

    Iskra 1903 (Paul Rutherford, Derek Bailey & Barry Guy) is one of the Ur-groups from which so much seems to have flowed. Several of their recordings can be found on the Emanem label, this set is outstanding.

    AMM (Eddie Prévost, John Tilbury, and several others); many recordings on Prévost's own Matchless Records, from the mid-60s to today. The Crypt is a classic, Newfoundland, and Combine + Laminates are also superb.
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  5. mikechadwick

    mikechadwick pfm Member

    This is turning into a really interesting thread. Seems that while I was turning on to West Coast psych in the late 60’s there was a whole other scene going on which I totally ignored, even when I was working in a record shop in the 70’s. Got into Reggae instead!
    Still, plenty of time to catch up, but I get nervous when I see references to King Crimson. They were definitely the most boring band I ever saw (Watford Town Hall, 1970 or 71) - at least that’s what I thought at the time. Strangely enough I work with a chap who loves all this, especially AMM and Evan Parker. I’ll try and get him to contribute.
  6. kjb

    kjb pfm Member

    It’s an area that’s not at all well represented in my collection. I’ve got John Mclaughlin’s Extrapolation, Evan Parker’s The Snake Decides, Joe Herriot Abstract - each of which I’d recommend but otherwise it’s seriously under represented in my collection. This may become another expensive thread - or at least a great Sonos playlist.

  7. Seeker_UK

    Seeker_UK Waiting for the streetcar..

    For the Crimso link:

    And there's John Stevens' extensive back catalogie away from the SME

    More recent (80s) is David Defries' The Secret City

    Other thoughts, Alan Skidmore and Mike Osborne

  8. jon l

    jon l pfm Member

    Love these two John Surman/John Warren, John Surman recordings, first heard courtesy of Cornwall record library in the 70's. First has a recent vinyl reissue on "Klimt Records".

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  9. poco a poco

    poco a poco pfm Member

    This is an amazing collection of early British Modern Jazz, especially in original pressings. I have a few, but hardly any in first pressings and there is quite a number I have never heard of. This seems to be Mathew Taylor (Audio Grail), Garrard Turntable restorer who sometimes posts here on Pinkfish? I knew he had some good stuff as I remember a post by him where he had a photo with a Shades of Blue (original) behind a 301. It seems though he has cornered the market in originals!
  10. Theo

    Theo pfm Member

    That's the chap, and indeed he has: however, a couple of years ago he sold off a large proportion of his collection on ebay. I was in correspondence with him regarding a couple of items, but was outbid on all the ones I wanted. Ultimately, the prices were just too rich for me.

    The Vocalion label did a sterling amount of work re-releasing a huge number of titles on CD (most of which I bought), but the only one they did on vinyl (AFAIK) was "Hum Dono". Ironically, even the CDs fetch good prices now as they were pressed in limited numbers.
  11. Stunsworth

    Stunsworth pfm Member

  12. poco a poco

    poco a poco pfm Member

    Yes I must get a vinyl copy of Hum Dono, I don't know why I haven't. I'm pretty certain there was a Gearbox Records mastered version as well as the Vocalion, but they don't seem to list it on their site any longer. I think I saw a copy in Ray's Jazz shop recently. I'll have a look again next time I am in town. Of course I have no idea if this is true which would be the better mastering. Although Gearbox stuff is usually good.
  13. poco a poco

    poco a poco pfm Member

    There is an interesting post on the London Jazz collector about the Impressed Compilations. Make sure to sroll down to the comments and see the one by The Jazz Dad (Tony Higgins) who wrote the sleeve notes and sourced the tapes. A third version was planned, but never happened. There could have been a much wider series of releases, but ultimately Universal showed no interest in any of it.
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  14. Seanm

    Seanm pfm Member

    Anyone find the pressing of Hum Dono a bit iffy? Mine sounds like it's mis-tracking whenever Norma Winstone sings.
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  15. Graham H

    Graham H pfm Member

    The comments by Tony Higgins tell a bit of a sad story. One of the albums I wish could be reissued is Cleopatra's Needle by Ronnie Ross. There is a track from the LP on Impressed, and it's a cracker, but if you listen carefully it sounds like a needle drop. Tony Higgins confirms this somewhere in one of his articles, as not all the master tapes could be located back in the early 00s. Probably less chance now.

    I have the CD. I think it is a needle drop, or a mix of tape and needle drop. I'm allergic to needle drops, and there are more out there than engineers/labels will admit to (which is why I've been reluctant to start a thread on the recent Strata East reissues). The indicators are the grainy nature of the sound, lack of HF extension and the fact that no matter how well surface noise can be disguised by digital editing it is impossible to hide the dreaded groove wear. I'm also allergic to groove wear, something our beloved London Jazz Collector seems immune to.

    Great choices, but the Klimt reissues I've heard have been needle drops (admittedly I haven't heard the Klimt Surman). It would be useful if you would indicate whether you think this one is.
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  16. hockman

    hockman pfm Member

    Please start a thread. I'd like to hear your views on the Strata East reissues. I assume you are referring to the Pure Pleasure ones. Or the Superfly reissues?


    Bill Hart (who posts a lot on the Hoffman forum) above quite likes them. I am less convinced about the Strata East ones although I've heard some very decent reissues mastered from original vinyl records (particularly rare african music where the original tapes are no longer in existence or lost).

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  17. scotty38

    scotty38 pfm Member

    Please don't :D:D:D

    I am struggling to keep up with all of this as it's all pretty new to me and after years of being pretty much "take it or leave it" with jazz, something clicked recently and I'm loving it.

    With all the new arrivals this week I'm starting to think my wife would rather me take a new lover :D:D
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  18. Graham H

    Graham H pfm Member

    I've invested in about half dozen Strata East from Pure Pleasure, I haven't heard any Superfly reissues although I am aware of their existence. It's a bit of a long topic, some stunning music, but deserves its own thread. Maybe soon after I've gathered my thoughts and observations.
  19. Seanm

    Seanm pfm Member

    Cheers, yes, listening on Spotify now and the same problem, bit worse in fact. And yes, grainy. Still a fantastic record and I'll be able to enjoy it more now knowing that it's not my cart that's mistracking.
  20. poco a poco

    poco a poco pfm Member

    I was tempted to get the Clifford Jordan Glass Bead Game as I would like to have a vinyl copy of that, but am a bit suspicious about all Pure Pleasure releases as although they claim to use master tapes when specifically asked if they are really AAA they always avoid a clear answer. If they a digital master of some sort they could even be a proscessed digital master from a needle drop. Speakers Corner, who I think are distributed in the UK by Pure Pleasure clearly state their are AAA from the master tapes.

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