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Coronavirus - the new strain

Discussion in 'off topic' started by gassor, Jan 23, 2020.

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  1. doctorf

    doctorf left footed right winger

    No.
    The virus appears to cause a pneumonitis which can rapidly lead to ARDS.
     
  2. gavreid

    gavreid pfm Member

    That's a dangerous (if anyone's assuming that they will be safe) over-simplification of course, there will be considerable 'overlap' between these groups.
     
  3. Stunsworth

    Stunsworth pfm Member

    Well, we've seen the recommendations, now it would be good to see their 'working out' and their reasoning behind the decisions.

    People keep talking about 'herd immunity'. In the absence of a vaccine that requires the majority of people getting the virus and building up anti-bodies. Now you can argue that's going to happen anyway, and that may be correct, but the purpose of banning large groupings of people is - to use another popular phrase - to 'flatten the curve' and prevent the NHS from coming under intolerable strain. So I'd like to know why they've decided _not_ to adopt such a tactic. By continuing to allow large assemblies - such as football matches etc - it looks to me that they're risking the NHS being swamped in a few weeks time.
     
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  4. TheDecameron

    TheDecameron Unicorns fart glitter.

    An Italian critical care specialist said in an interview last night that it also causes myocarditis. A friend of mine became ill on a long haul flight four years ago, initially thinking he had a bad cold. Within a day of landing, he was on an ECMO machine, diagnosed with viral myocarditis . He was simply very lucky to land in a city outside the UK that had the treatment capability and an empty bed. Had he landed back in Britain or somewhere else, he might not have been so lucky.
     
  5. gavreid

    gavreid pfm Member

    I hear that Wilco is cutting its sick pay entitlement.
     
  6. Seanm

    Seanm pfm Member

    You’ve changed your tune Fred! You were a bit jittery before weren't you. Amazing what a national address from a great leader can do to revive the old Blitz spirit. He didn't even have to drive a JCB through a polystyrene wall with "Coronavirus" written on it!

    I'm sure you're right. None of the experts you list there were actually on, and those that were seemed sceptical of the government's approach. Apart from the one from the UCL's Centre for Behaviour Change, who looked made up, so to speak. No doubt Dom and Boris are listening to all the right people. They're not the kind of people any of the European governments are listening to but what do they know!

    https://twitter.com/BBCNewsnight/status/1238244080557133830?s=20
     
  7. TheDecameron

    TheDecameron Unicorns fart glitter.

  8. farfromthesun

    farfromthesun pfm Member

    Another bet I'm having today is that the Govt. approach will dramatically change once the Cheltenham Festival finishes this afternoon.
     
  9. Del monaco

    Del monaco Del Monaco

    I think they're coming across as uncertain and mixing Politics with Science is not a comfortable partnership. Hunt is encouraging the uncertainty so I wonder who will win? Science or Politics. Boris must be feeling anxious about their strategy and a little hemmed in.
     
  10. gavreid

    gavreid pfm Member

    Unfortunately, I think the wake up call will only come when people, who were otherwise in good health, begin to die
     
  11. tiggers

    tiggers pfm Member

    Had 12m people aged 65 and over!
     
  12. tiggers

    tiggers pfm Member

    Genuine question for you. You seem to be implying you think Johnson's government have got the response to this right. What then, is you feeling on all the other countries who are going much further than this? Have they all got it wrong? Why are we the only ones to realise that school closures (for instance) are not necessary? Is every other country full of idiots and we are blessed with science and political geniuses? I'm not having a dig, genuinely interested why you think we have got it right and everyone else has got it wrong. Especially as mathematical modelling applied to the virus spreading indicates mass gatherings and close proximity socialisation is a bad thing for transmission even just based on a simplistic probability model!
     
  13. Seanm

    Seanm pfm Member

    I don't know. Much of London seems to be staying at home today. Maybe the Freakonomics people have included reverse psychology in their modelling.
     
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  14. calorgas

    calorgas Ratty bumpkin

    Is there any evidence that this is actually happening anywhere? Aside for the very old?

    I'm enjoying the fact that anyone who is a public figure of any sort appear to get tested immediately they get a sniffle (e.g. Hudson-Odoi and his symptoms of a mild cold) and everyone else should just sit in their room and wait to see what happens and are actively discouraged from bothering the health service. My other half works in a public library visited daily by large numbers of elderly folk who, obviously, are all handling books and public computers etc., and there's been no special guidance from the council at all. I would have thought that if she contracted it then she would pose a far greater risk than a footballer surrounded by other young and fit people.
     
  15. Bob McC

    Bob McC Living the life of Riley

    whereas Amazon is offering unlimited periods if confirmed Covid 19
     
  16. tiggers

    tiggers pfm Member

    It's always the way of anything in society. The elite get treated completely differently, but we get told everyone is treated the same yet reality is completely at odds with that. My work colleague who has Covid-19 told me yesterday he had to wait 6 days to get tested and only then it was because he threatened to go down to A&E and make a nuisance of himself. The fact that he didn't have the energy to do that passed them by as they soon found him a test appointment when threatened with that. He said there was a definite attitude that they would have avoided testing him if possible... one less case on the database of course. As Johnson finally admitted last night we likely already have thousands of cases here... how many I doubt we'll ever really know.
     
  17. gintonic

    gintonic 50 shades of grey pussy cats

    both could actually be right - we might end up in the same place regardless of strategy.
     
  18. gintonic

    gintonic 50 shades of grey pussy cats

    my work colleague showing symptoms waited 2 days, his office mate 4 days. Results were available 4 days after testing. Both negative.
     
  19. tiggers

    tiggers pfm Member

    In that case they will have got it wrong as it will have cost their economy a lot more.
     
  20. slavedata

    slavedata pfm Member

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