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Do streamers affect the sound?

Discussion in 'audio' started by rockingdoc, May 11, 2019.

  1. Del monaco

    Del monaco pfm Member

    It is magnificent and has stood the test of time within my own system. I too now use it as a Roon Endpoint and it runs flawlessly. I have it tethered to my Dac via EDO, a QED cable and my trusty CA DAC. I have also built a headphone Endpoint using a Pi, PiCoreplayer and Dragonfly Black 1.5. It’s a lovely sounding thing and works well with the Pi WiFi dongle. I’ve tried the Squeezebox in another system with a Debussy Dac and ML speakers. We compared the Squeezebox to a rather more expensive transport into the Debussy. Couldn’t discern differences. That’s why I keep it.
     
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  2. mandryka

    mandryka pfm Member

    Yes you can really see an aspect of the way the Hifi industry can operate when you know about the Logitech Media Server and how it can be implemented on Rasperry Pi to make a squeezebox, for next no money and next to no effort. And the hifi providers charge serious money for bundling up inferior media servers with DACs and amps.

    Tony started a thread a few weeks ago asking for examples of modern classics. Well the Squeezebox and even more so, the Logitech Media Server, are clear examples of that.
     
  3. Del monaco

    Del monaco pfm Member

    Not forgetting Slim Devices who forged the way.
     
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  4. theadmans

    theadmans pfm Member

  5. dudywoxer

    dudywoxer pfm Member

    Of course they will do, the people who have spent much, much more, will all tell you the more expensive ones are much better. Computer networking has to be expensive to work . I mean if not the world would be flooded with cheap pads,laptops and things.
     
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  6. SteveH

    SteveH pfm Member

    I used a SBT into a pair of Kii3s.
    Was it a mullet?
    No not at all.
    Sounded fabulous.
     
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  7. Del monaco

    Del monaco pfm Member

    It still seems so up to date in many ways. I don’t intend moving it on just yet.
     
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  8. Arkless Electronics

    Arkless Electronics Trade: Amp design and repairs.

    They can wrap around your feet and trip you up...
     
  9. Del monaco

    Del monaco pfm Member

    They certainly can.
     
  10. John Phillips

    John Phillips pfm Member

    I wonder if a useful alternative question to ask is "should streamers affect the sound?" Not speaking for anyone else's taste, my answer is "no". Others' answers may be different.

    Today's state of the art in streaming is evidently that you can get very close to technical perfection if that's what pleases you, and it's clear you don't need to spend a lot.

    As a result, I can concentrate just on listening to and selecting components such as loudspeakers where designers still have to decide on compromises and where there is still a significant sonic signature.
     
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  11. Man in a van

    Man in a van pfm Member

  12. HabUK

    HabUK pfm Member

    Is there a guide somewhere on how to make one of these from start to finish? Got a bit of spare time and wouldn't mind having a go!
     
  13. Man in a van

    Man in a van pfm Member

    @HabUK

    If you are talking pi?

    Buy RPI3B+, official power supply, at least one (maybe two) reputable micro sd cards (and maybe a holder) of at least 8gb or 16gb.
    Buy a case later if you want.
    Don't buy a dac or SPDIF hat yet.
    Decide what you want to do.
    Google what you want to do.
    You will need a little extra software on your computer
    https://www.balena.io/etcher/
    others that are nice to have
    https://www.sdcard.org/downloads/formatter/
    https://sourceforge.net/projects/win32diskimager/
    If using the pi for audio playback you can use either the default audio jack or usb as outputs to give you immediate playback.
    Decide if it's worth taking further

    ronnie
     
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  14. HabUK

    HabUK pfm Member

    Thank you!
     
  15. Yomanze

    Yomanze pfm Member

    The number of DACs on the market that truly reject jitter are very low. I don’t think a streamer would make a difference to, say, a Benchmark DAC3, but my DAC is very sensitive to jitter (simple SPDIF receiver, no buffering or reclocking), so does sound better with a low jitter source.
     
  16. Man in a van

    Man in a van pfm Member

    @theadmans

    The case arrived yesterday Adam, fitted it this a.m. It's the definition of "a tight fit" ;)

    ronnie
     
  17. JemHayward

    JemHayward pfm Member

    In to the same DAC I have used: Squeezebox Touch, RPi running Volumio, RPi running Moode, O2 Joggler running Squeezelite, Linn DS, and a Mac Mini.
    All sounded exactly the same, though since trying the Jogglers, Mac and Linn DS, I've gone over to using EDO on the SBT and I think that sounds better than the optical output.
    The only one that sounded worse was the Mac Mini using USB, but I now think I had a noisy PSU that was polluting things.
    I agree the SBT is a modern classic, and the Squeezebox community keeps delivering the goods with updates and plugins. It's a pity Logitech didn't understand what they had bought - put it in a flash case and sell it to HiFi fans for £1k.
     
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  18. AndyU

    AndyU pfm Member

  19. davidsrsb

    davidsrsb pfm Member

    That points at poor DAC psu design. A good DAC should be fairly immune to clock fitter these days as it is a known and solved problem.
     
  20. AndyU

    AndyU pfm Member

    Miller says that hub powered DACs are much more sensitive to the transport than ones with their own power supply.
     

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