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Election night 2019 / aftermath

Discussion in 'off topic' started by Joe Hutch, Dec 12, 2019.

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  1. Wilson

    Wilson SCTV half wit

    EU referendum results.
     
  2. ff1d1l

    ff1d1l pfm Member

    Not what was being talked about. Was talking about the election. Also the electorate, which the referendum result is not.
     
  3. Wilson

    Wilson SCTV half wit

    "Am I right in thinking that 47% of the electorate voted for getting Brexit done, whilst 53% voted for having a say on the final deal or cancelling it entirely?"

    "Not what was being talked about. Was talking about the election. Also the electorate, which the referendum result is not."

    The last time the electorate voted for "getting Brexit done", specifically, was in 2016, the result of which was 51.89 Leave
    48.11 Remain.

    There were numerous topics in play during the election.
     
  4. ff1d1l

    ff1d1l pfm Member

    That would be "The Brexit Election" as it appeared on my screen? Sky?

    And in any case, as I say again, the election was what was under discussion.
     
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  5. Wilson

    Wilson SCTV half wit

  6. Richard Lines

    Richard Lines pfm Member

    I'm not exactly surprised to hear this. It's all very well politicians and the like talking about freedom of movement etc. but this can and does lead to the lowering of remuneration rates in some sectors which can and does get used to foster 'negative views'.

    Regards

    Richard
     
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  7. Gaycha

    Gaycha pfm Member

    It's irrelevant. They got the result. Whatever you may think, the Torys all got behind their leader, and that appears significant.

    Instead of churning what they did do, the focus is now on what Labour didn't do. And how of if they can correct that.
     
  8. davidsrsb

    davidsrsb pfm Member

    The trouble is that the former colonies now have their own industries and won't buy overpriced goods from the UK. Even without freedom of movement, to export anything you are now competing with countries that have much lower industrial wages.
     
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  9. Joe

    Joe pfm Member

    I saw him interviewed on tv yesterday and he was asked the direct question.

    "will you stand for leader of the party"?

    "Look" he said .............and then went on to not say no .
     
  10. NeilR

    NeilR pfm Member

    [​IMG]
     
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  11. Woodface

    Woodface pfm Member

    I think we both hope you are wrong
     
  12. Woodface

    Woodface pfm Member

    Quite ironic comment there
     
  13. Marchbanks

    Marchbanks Hat and Beard member

    Mulling over cause and effect in UK politics in the last five years during a sleepless night I have decided that it is fact John Prescott.
     
  14. notaclue

    notaclue pfm Member

    Now we are back to reading Tony Connelly. Who confirms everything Clarke said about Johnson signing up in haste to deal he probably didn't understand and one that May had already rejected.

    https://www.rte.ie/news/brexit/2019/1213/1099064-tory-landslide-irish-sea/

    "Boris Johnson's stunning election victory means the Irish Protocol - creating a border in the Irish Sea - will come into effect.

    "Everything was done at breakneck speed," says one senior Stormont official. "That is the problem. Johnson is celebrating a successful negotiation, but one in which he compromised radically on principle."

    "So effectively, what we turned down in October 2018 as having real difficulties in terms of its workability," says Kelly, "Boris [Johnson], in an effort to get Brexit done by 31 October, rolled over and accepted it"."


    I guess now we get to see what Johnson and Cummings and Co are like when it comes to detail rather than slogans.
     
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  15. Nick_G

    Nick_G pfm Member

    Well, I think there is a rather grim moral to this tale. If you cheat, lie, break the law, you're a racist, and collude with racists then you can snatch the most powerful job in the land, and people will love you.

    I dread to think what this is teaching future generations.
     
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  16. ciderglider

    ciderglider pfm Member

    I think the North East was offered this during Blair's reign, and they rejected it.
     
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  17. Roger Adams

    Roger Adams pfm Member

    The problem for Wilson is that firstly, as has been said, it was labelled the "Brexit election" - whilst secondly, post election, BJ has been claiming that "the result now settles the Brexit question once and for all"

    It does not though. The majority voted for not leaving without another vote and it is only the antiquated FPTP system that sees the man with a majority.
     
  18. Weekender

    Weekender pfm Member

    Even as a Remainer that is not going to wash with me. The opposition should have made an electoral pact. They didn't. It's over.
     
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  19. SteveS1

    SteveS1 I heard that, pardon?

    That's a good question but would be even better if enough people actually realised that Corbyn was a bigger problem on the doorstep than Brexit although obviously that too was a large factor. They didn't take a strong position on what the UK's relationship with the EU should be. I'm not saying their position didn't make any sense, it just wasn't direct enough.

    There were aspects of the flood of policy that was confusing and even looked a tad gimmicky at times and some clear key messages might have worked better. They certainly didn't find a way to 'cut through' on the 9 years but I think there is a much bigger obstacle and it isn't necessarily the radical platform. A lot of the voters they aim at will be economically quite left wing or at least open to changes to improve their lot. But culturally, a lot of them are very right wing indeed. Shockingly so. I don't remember encountering such racist hostility at elections in the 70s or 80s. The groundwork done by Farage and Co. on these voters cannot be underestimated.

    The Tories since 2016 have welcomed the distraction and played to it by ditching their usual focus on economics and gone full nationalist. Cummings just brought more culturally right wing campaigning from Leave to the Tories.

    Having gone after these voters in the hope to replace and exceed the numbers of people they attracted culturally in the past, but who were more sceptical on left wing economics - it's a considerable challenge.
     
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  20. SteveS1

    SteveS1 I heard that, pardon?

    Me neither, but I am looking forward to the incompatible objectives having to be fudged, that will be a hoot. I think the easiest thing for Johnson politically will be to fudge the relationship with the EU. There is no real prospect of serious divergence and that will piss off the nutters. Farage will carp but after all this time even some of his fans will be weary of him.
     
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