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Elsdon Wonfor Audio LS-25 speaker cables

Discussion in 'audio' started by Cereal Killer, Jun 28, 2017.


    YNWOAN 100% Analogue

    No, not at all - surely you know this. Active operation only requires the crossover to exist before the power amp and (inevitably) a power amp for each drive unit. Having the crossovers and amplification built into the speakers is convenient but the more flexible solution is to have the electronics external - this is how Naim do it and Linn used to etc.

    Personally I run my speakers semi-active but not in the sense that the active part is less than if it were built into the speaker. The bass drivers are fully actively driven in the true sense of the term ‘active’. The mid and treble are run passive but this is my choice, I could run the speakers entirely active if I so desired (and bought some more electronics).
  2. PerF

    PerF Senior

    "Lightweight" on body and substance is something I have experienced too with my standard TQB, even its clear advantages

    Funny as that cable is perhaps very good in some combinations ranging to bad in others, perhaps not funny at all:rolleyes:
  3. Alan Brown

    Alan Brown Registered LUser

    Shirley the issue is best viewed as a whole, in that a cable is just one part of a larger circuit? Different audio systems (circuits) are going to respond uniquely to the addition of a new cable, sometimes to our pleasure and other times, not.

    For instance, one of the claims made by EWA is their cable designs both reject and suppress common mode noise. If that is being effectively accomplished then one system may benefit hugely from this, while another might have different issues completely. Both systems would react differently to the cable.

    DANOFDANGER pfm Member

    Not necessarily. There would have to be a differential effect from specific transmission line characteristics. Meaning that devices in the circuit respond differently depending on the characteristic impedance. Which to me just does not seem likely. The common mode noise rejection however is another variable which may present differing results, but this is a isolated variable thats not relative to other interconnects.

    I have recieved similar results using cables with different systems, the conclusions is the same. However if cables are compared with other cables then you introduce a unreliable variable which could change your 'opinion' of which is preferred with a specific system. This is why i am a advocate of direct connection comparisons. As comparing against cables only tells you that there are differences but do not tell you wether the differences you hear are technically better or worse. Because there is no reference.
  5. ryder

    ryder pfm Member

    Did you try the Chord Epic Twin. Our experiences will not match due to different loudspeakers that's being used(I'm using Harbeth Super HL5 Plus). I have compared the NAC A5 and Chord Epic Twin extensively last year as I have both in my main and secondary system. The Chord Epic has the warmth and body of the NAC A5 but adds slight detail and refinement across the frequency spectrum. The NAC A5 sounds slightly crude in comparison. Not a night a day difference as both cables sound rather close, but the difference is noticeable enough to my ears.

    Similarly I find your post interesting as this is the first experience of someone preferring the Naim NAC A5 over the much touted Elsdon Wonfor LS-25 cables. I am also using the Naim NAP 250 DR. Rest of the system is an NAC 282 and Hicap DR.
  6. Cereal Killer

    Cereal Killer fourhundredandthirtytwo

    ryder, are you planning on trialling the LS-25s? Think I mentioned to you before; I personally found them much of an improvement of the Chord Epic.
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  7. ryder

    ryder pfm Member

    Cereal Killer, I'm sure the LS-25 is stellar. I do not have any plans to trial the LS-25 as I do not have the budget for it at the moment. I still derive a lot of enjoyment from the current system, with the Chord Epic Twin, so there is little inclination to change anything in the system.

    Perhaps next year's Christmas I'll keep these on the radar. I am pretty much done on the main bits. The LS-25 will come when I have the budget (and the itch).

  8. PerF

    PerF Senior

    Ryder, fwiw I replaced my Odyssey (same copper as Epic) with Witchhat N2 with good results
  9. Jonn

    Jonn pfm Member

    I haven't tried the Epic Twin but it may be worth a trial given your description. The LS-25 are certainly more refined than the NACA5 and deliver a quieter background but overall the lighter airier sound gave a slightly artificial quality to music in my system. (I'm also using a NAC 282 but with a SC rather than Hicap)
  10. psd122

    psd122 pfm Member

    I have just ordered a pair plus jumpers,early Xmas prezzi to self.i will report back once I've had a good listen,I'm actually quite exited cheers Paul.
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  11. Cereal Killer

    Cereal Killer fourhundredandthirtytwo

    Excellent! What's the system and current speaker cables?
  12. psd122

    psd122 pfm Member

    hi ck my system is arcam cd192 that really isn't used anymore as i replaced my cds11 with a vortexbox premium a couple of years ago and love it.magnum dynalab etude tuner teddy pardo pr 1 2x mb100 into pmc fact 8s the speaker cable is chord oddessy 4.the last tweak i made was townshend speaker bars under the facts. hoping for a similar improvement from the ls 25 cables, will report back in time cheers paul.
  13. kenniGT

    kenniGT pfm Member

    Can you describe the improvement? I have podiums and I wonder if bars are doing similar job.
  14. psd122

    psd122 pfm Member

    just more of everything really air/space around the instuments and vocals lower noisefloor,bigger soundstage also i did have a bit of a game with the facts in my room,a bit to much bass.luckily adjustable crossovers got me around that but placing the bars underneath tightened every thing up and allowed me turn the bass settings back up. whilst expensive i am more than happy and would not go back to my speakers directly on the wooden floor cheers,paul.
  15. kenniGT

    kenniGT pfm Member

    Thank you, so very similar to my podiums :)
  16. psd122

    psd122 pfm Member

    I imagine so it was the podiums/platforms that max was demoing with fact 12s at whittlebury when i ordered the bars were a fair bit cheaper and more suited size wise to my situation money well spent though imho
  17. Cereal Killer

    Cereal Killer fourhundredandthirtytwo

    I totally agree That the stand or base makes a considerable difference, got my custom built speaker stands built by Custom Design. They’re based on their SQ404 design with my own mods and tweaks. The SM100s sound so my more agile and the tonal quality has become more life like.
  18. Robby

    Robby pfm Member

    Do you have any images of your SM100's on the new stands?
  19. Cereal Killer

    Cereal Killer fourhundredandthirtytwo

    Dodgy phone pics, gonna do some nice ones when the light a bit better.

  20. Cereal Killer

    Cereal Killer fourhundredandthirtytwo

    They’re 12mm steel base plates, 50x50mm columns, 6mm acoustic steel top plates and 545mm tall without spikes. There’s 2.1kg of CD filler I’m each leg 10 bags in total.
    Last edited: Nov 10, 2017

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