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European Parliament elections

Discussion in 'off topic' started by ks.234, May 4, 2019.

  1. Seanm

    Seanm pfm Member

    Well since you asked, I'd look beyond the immediate sources and consider who the leakers are, what they've done here (e.g. ask for leader's office to intervene, then leak evidence of leader's office intervening), how that fits with other actions they've taken (e.g. mass purging of left-wing members for crimes such as liking the Foo Fighters), and what their possible motivations might be, as a defeated faction. But that's just me like you work away.
     
  2. gassor

    gassor There may be more posts after this.

    After years of hearing that any anti-semitism in the Labour party is exaggerated by Right-wingers wanting to destabilise Corbyn, we now hear Right-wingers have actually conspired to tone down the allegations to destabilise Corbyn. What are those Right-wingers like eh?
     
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  3. Seanm

    Seanm pfm Member

    Obstructing investigations is not the same as "toning down". But you know that, you'll just do anything to own Corbyn, including supporting right wing hatchet men as they conspire to make the party safe for antisemites for their own political purposes.
     
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  4. Mullardman

    Mullardman Moderately extreme...

    Back on topic. I'm a lifelong Labour supporter, former Labour Councillor etc. I will be voting to register my oppostion to Brexit. I don't trust the Lib Dems and the assorted remain parties are nowhere, which means I will be voting Green
     
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  5. Mick P

    Mick P Retired and content

    Quite right.

    If I was a committed remainer then I would vote for the Green Party.

    I voted for remain but I actually feel morally bound to accept the results of the referendum, so for the first time in our lives, the wife and I are not voting.

    I also agree with you about the Lib Dems, they must rank as the ultimate political prostitutes of all time. Clegg swapped his principles for a Ministerial limo for 5 years and a nice juicy job with Facebook afterwards.

    Cable was in the Treasury for 5 years advocating austerity along with Ed Balls and now is promising to help the poor by spending money. Anyone who trusts him must need their head testing.

    So yes you are doing the right thing and well done for putting your principles before your previous loyalties.
     
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  6. lordsummit

    lordsummit Moderator

    I’m also voting Green. For exactly the same reason. I also find I have a lot of assonance with their policies. I know of a lot of members and former members doing exactly the same.
     
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  7. HarryB

    HarryB pfm Member

    Interesting how supposedly intelligent people are happy to vote for a socialist party who gave zero chance of implementing any socialist policies but refuse to vote for a socialist party who could implement socialist policies and transform Britain. I think it’s called cutting your nose off to spite your face.

    The Greens have one MP. After the next general election they’ll have the same number or fewer.
     
  8. wyjsar

    wyjsar Nothing but heart

    To be clear, and I really don't know how this is hard to understand, the Labour Party backed the referendum with the PLP supporting the 2015 EU referendum act. The Bill passed by 544 votes to 53.
     
  9. gassor

    gassor There may be more posts after this.

    OK if you want to be pernickety, "After years of hearing that any anti-semitism in the Labour party has been exaggerated by Right-wingers wanting to destabilise Corbyn, we now hear Right-wingers have actually conspired to obstruct investigations in order to destabilise Corbyn. Right-wingers, what are they like?"

    As for your second point, I have no desire in the world to own Corbyn and if anyone has conspired to make the party a safe place for anti-semitism it is those who have played down the extent of the problem.
     
  10. Seanm

    Seanm pfm Member

    The voting system means that the only beneficiary of these Green votes will be the Brexit Party. It doesn't mean much in practical terms, and I understand the need to send a message, but in that case I think it's important to consider what the message is. It might be, Brexit is really, really, popular: look at all the seats they've won!

    What would be interesting would be if disgruntled ex-Labour members started to join the Greens.
     
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  11. matt j

    matt j pfm Member

    I think it's called 'principles'.
     
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  12. Nick_G

    Nick_G pfm Member

    Sod it. I'll be voting Green.
     
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  13. HarryB

    HarryB pfm Member

    You call it principles I’m sticking with cutting your nose of to spite your face. The Green Party will never be able to influence any aspect of life in this country. Voting for them is a ‘pricipled waste of time’.
     
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  14. Brian

    Brian Eating fat, staying slim

    So?

    I really don’t know how it is hard for you to understand the whole mess is entirely down to the tory party.
     
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  15. lordsummit

    lordsummit Moderator

    I may well. Harry’s point does concern me, but I can’t support a party that is a leave party, and I can’t support a party that is failing so miserably to deal with the anti-semitism issue. YMMV of course, but that’s how I feel.
     
  16. Tony L

    Tony L Administrator

    I don’t agree at all. They will get some MEPs (maybe more than predicted, I expect them to do well) and also when the vote-share is analysed it is perfectly clear where the anti-Brexit vote went.

    No one voting on the principal of remaining in the EU should touch Labour with a barge pole, they have a manifesto pledge to “honour” the fraudulent Tory/UKIP referendum FFS! Screw that!
     
  17. sean99

    sean99 pfm Member

    Because it isn't. The Labour party have enabled the Tories at every step when it comes to Brexit, no doubt hoping it would be the Tories' undoing. Turns out it's the undoing of the whole nation. A Labour party with a spine and some common sense would have opposed Brexit at every turn, from the referendum, to the pre-ref. campaign, and post referendum.
     
  18. Brian

    Brian Eating fat, staying slim

    It’s hardly intelligent to enable another tory govt after seeing what they’ve done since 2010. Aside from them setting up the referendum to save their party, it could be argued tory policies of austerity since 2010 was a factor in why many voted to leave the EU.
     
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  19. Tony L

    Tony L Administrator

    Blaming the voters for not voting for unpopular policies isn’t a good look IMHO.
     
  20. Brian

    Brian Eating fat, staying slim

    I disagree. Labour has not enabled the tories.
     
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