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European Parliament elections

Discussion in 'off topic' started by ks.234, May 4, 2019.

  1. wylton

    wylton pfm Member

    Am I alone in finding that truly scary? Imagine so many people being taken in by that twat! Great journalism by Matt Frei.
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  2. Steve Taylor

    Steve Taylor pfm Member

    Jack's off again, equating Farage, Banks and May with Corbyn.
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  3. gassor

    gassor There may be more posts after this.

    Did Corbyn in the run-up to the ref make any public speeches in favour of remaining in the EU (warts and all)? Had he got behind the remain campaign he might well have swung it, but we'll never know. He allowed the public to be confused about what he and Labour stood for and lost a lot of Labour supporters in 'traditional working-class areas' in the ref. Three weeks before the vote in 2016 the Guardian claimed "Labour voters in the dark about party's stance on Brexit, research says".

    We both know he has always been anti-EU (capitalist's club etc), but he sat on the fence as he knew most MPs did not share this view. This kind of prevarification does not go down well with voters and Labour are going to fall far short of a party that 6 months ago did not even exist. With less than two weeks to go in the EU elections, I wonder how many habitual Labour voters actually know what the party stands for on Brexit or are they just as unsure as they were before the ref?
    Last edited: May 16, 2019
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  4. Tony L

    Tony L Administrator

    I find it genuinely terrifying. Farage, like Trump, Johnson etc, and the people who own them are exceptionally dangerous IMHO. Shyster con-artists flirting with fascism the lot of them.
  5. tuga

    tuga European

    This kind of thinking perpetuates the two party system.
    Coalitions (potentially) produce less damage than single-party majorities.
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  6. MikeMA

    MikeMA pfm Member

    Reports on Newsnight tonight seem to confirm the view that right wing populist parties will make significant gains in the forthcoming Euro elections, and become the biggest single grouping in the new European parliament.
  7. Mullardman

    Mullardman Moderately extreme...

    Harry,every party starts small. Labour did. But much of Labour's 'natural constituency' has either left due to changing economics, or as a result of Corbyn's inability to articulate his message, deal with the media or listen to his membership.

    Meanwhile the Greens have no scandals or skeletons in cupboards that I'm aware of, they have a similar stance to Labour on the NHS and public services, asre clearly pro remain, and conduct themselves with dignity and honesty.

    As I said above I'm a lifelong democratic socialist and natural Labour voter. But I'm not voting for them in the EU elections because they are, in those elections, a Brexit Party. If the outcome of those elections favours Brexit, it will embolden both the Tories and the far right. But, if clearly identifiable pro EU parties do well, it sends an entirely different message. It's one which Frog Face Farage, the ERG et.al.,and the wider Tory Party won't hear, but Labour just might.

    In a general election, I'd most likely vote Labour, because we'd most likely have left the EU by then and would need all the help we could get to stop the Tories stealing the very last of the family silver and continuing to be the utter bastards and incompetents they've been forever.
  8. ff1d1l

    ff1d1l pfm Member

    Well said Mull.
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  9. ff1d1l

    ff1d1l pfm Member

    You think him inferior?
  10. jackbarron

    jackbarron Chelsea, London

    What I posted is:

    "They're even more untrustworthy than Corbyn and May, and that's saying something."

    This doesn't mean the same or equivalent to. I've said Farage and Banks are more untrustworthy than Corbyn and May.

    Look at what Clegg and Cable did, when they took the Lib Dems into a Coalition with the Tories. Only an idiot would trust a politician or political financier in the UK.

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  11. farfromthesun

    farfromthesun pfm Member

    Likewise; I actually joined the party. Maybe my paltry few quid a month can help.
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  12. SteveG

    SteveG pfm Member

    My daughter is voting LibDem this time because, while she knows they are turncoat scum, she didn't want to vote for either of the main Brexit supporting parties (i.e. Labour and the Tories) and wanted to protest against what she feels is the SNP mishandling of the education system in Scotland (she's a trained teacher but doesn't work in that capacity). She does accept that, while she has reservations about the SNP, they're by a huge margin the only halfway competent party to run Scotland at the moment though (her point being that the big parties don't care about Scotland). Basically she's said that what she wants is to stay in the EU - either via a 2nd Brexit vote or via a 2nd independence vote (despite not really being a natural independence supporter).

    I suspect there will be a fair switch towards the LibDem this time as they're a safe protest party at the moment - it's only when they have an option to sell-out that they become a problem i.e. in general or Scottish elections where they'll get into bed with anyone who promises a couple of ministerial positions. With decent leadership and a clear position of either being anti-Brexit or at least being more convincing that a 2nd vote is needed then I think Labour would be hoovering up the votes amongst her age group (20's), although many sound like they'll still be voting Labour due to promises of removing tuition fees (especially as they appear to have forgotten which party actually brought them in).

    My son (also in his 20's) is voting SNP as he votes in Edinburgh but is at uni in London. His friends in London seem to mostly be voting Labour.
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  13. TheDecameron

    TheDecameron Unicorns fart glitter.

    This is effective campaigning- clear and unambiguous. Note too that it’s not in the Welsh language- we have very few Welsh speakers in this part of the world.

  14. zarniwoop

    zarniwoop hoopy frood

    Me too
  15. SteveS1

    SteveS1 I heard that, pardon?

    Excellent post.
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  16. ff1d1l

    ff1d1l pfm Member

    Shome mishtake shurely..." The Galic"? (Gaelic)
  17. MVV

    MVV pfm Member

    Is there a tactical voting anti brexit site? Somewhere you can look up your own area and which candidate is most likely to block the Brexit party.
  18. Tony L

    Tony L Administrator

    https://www.remainunited.org/ It is connected to Gina Miller somehow. I very much like the idea, but I wish it had statistical detail as to how it arrives at its conclusions.

    PS the tl;dr is vote Lib Dem everywhere bar Scotland or Wales! It is being recalculated on the 21st, so I’ll be making my decision then.
  19. farfromthesun

    farfromthesun pfm Member

  20. Seanm

    Seanm pfm Member

    That's not an anti-Brexit Party site, it's a "send them a message!" site (i.e. anti Brexit and anti-Labour). Maybe that's what MVV meant. But in most places, and certainly in the country as a whole, the only way to block the Brexit Party is to vote Labour.

    Polling suggests the anti-Labour campaign is set to give the Brexit Party an absolute majority amongst British MEPs. I mean, I know you could say Labour will have brought that upon themselves, but the signs suggest that they're not that bothered about the EU elections. It's those that are concerned about it who'll be giving it to Farage. A triumph of tactical thinking there.

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