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Guitar talk: acoustic, bass, classical, twelve string? You name it! Pt II

Discussion in 'off topic' started by matthewr, Jun 14, 2019.

  1. Joe Hutch

    Joe Hutch Mate of the bloke

  2. Tony L

    Tony L Administrator

    I’ve just bought another Rat (eBay)! Yay! \o/ I’m pretty sure it is a ‘real’ one, i.e. US Made with a LM308 chip, so whilst not as early/valuable as the ‘80s one I seem to have misplaced it should sound right. Annoyingly its in Japan, so I’ll no doubt get hit with duty, but it was only £66 quid with free shipping, which is a good deal and even once I get stung for customs isn’t much over the price of the current inferior Chinese ones.
  3. gavreid

    gavreid pfm Member

    I've been thinking of trying one these Audient interfaces for a while now - anyone got one?

  4. matthewr

    matthewr spɹɐʍʞɔɐq spɹoɔǝɹ ɹnoʎ sʎɐld

    At last something I know something about! :)

    In effect, I've got most of this already. I have an Audient interface (the smallest one, the ID4) which I would highly recommend. I also have the Two Notes Wall of Sound plug in which has as all the cab sim, IR loader, power amp sim, room sim, etc. It looks and works exactly like the stuff they show in the video except on your computer in a DAW or a VST hoot. I use the free version of https://www.cantabilesoftware.com/. WoS is free is you buy a couple of their IRs (so about £12 gets you 2 free IRs + the two you pick)

    So the Sono question becomes:

    1. Is the 12AX7 based preamp worth it?
    2. Is latency a problem with the cheaper software solutions?
    3. Is the convenience of the one box + 1 & 2 worth the £400?

    On question 1 I am not convinced but this is based on my setup which goes:

    guitar > drive pedals > preamp pedal > delay/reverb/trem pedals > ID4 DI > Wall of Sound (power amp/mic/cab/room sim) > monitors

    and this sounds great to me and has zero latency problems. This is my sit and play along to my favourite records or play loud on headphones solution at the moment and I am very happy with it. I don't use a DAW or record. I do though have a modern beefy desktop PC and latency might be a problem with laptops or older hardware? I can use my guitar amp (i.e. add a "real" 12AX7 preamp and tone stack) but to be honest I never bother.

    One thing worth saying about the Audient interfaces is the DI ports are "designed to replicate the input stage of a classic valve amplifier" so maybe that is adding something to the mix? I have certainly had more success with this root since I swapped a Scarlet Solo for the Audient.

    The other thing I would say about the Wall of Sound plug in is that, unlike the trial of Bias FX I tried, it works flawlessly with my real pedals. I.e. 95% of the tone comes from guitar and pedals and the software bit is really just adding IR for cab and room reverb.

    So I guess question #3 really depends on your context? For a bedroom noodler like me, not really, but if you were more of a professional and/or recording then your mileage may vary.
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  5. matthewr

    matthewr spɹɐʍʞɔɐq spɹoɔǝɹ ɹnoʎ sʎɐld

    Oh one more thing. You could possibly do this with one of the Two Notes cab sim pedals into an interface but unless you already have an interface you like this would be getting close to the Sono price wise. But it's worth considering if you have latency problems from any plug-in.
  6. gavreid

    gavreid pfm Member

    I've been using a Focusrite for a while, which is quite good, ignoring the headphone out, but I quite like the idea of having a device on the pedal board with all the settings in one place. It's a massive pain getting up to go to the computer while playing.
  7. matthewr

    matthewr spɹɐʍʞɔɐq spɹoɔǝɹ ɹnoʎ sʎɐld

    Then the two notes pedals might also work. Although the pricing and and line-up is some what confusing not least as Andertons seems to give you a choice of prices!

    https://www.andertons.co.uk/brands/two-notes/two-notes-torpedo-cab-pedal (£343)
    https://www.andertons.co.uk/brands/...orpedo-cab-pedal-bundle-w-free-extra-cabinets (£259 with 2 extra cabinets!).

    I wonder if the £259 price is a reduction after the launch of the Sono?

    Then there is this one which appears to be the same but in a smaller form factor for £250: https://www.andertons.co.uk/brands/two-notes/two-notes-torpedo-cab-m-pedal
  8. gavreid

    gavreid pfm Member

    Thanks. My Friedman has a speaker emulated line out, with the ability to play the amp silently into the interface, but no ability to tweak it. It's one reason I bought the amp and is a fantastic feature (I see the new Suhr PT15 has it now too), but it's about turning the amp on and warming up each time etc etc before my fatigue takes over and my fingers decide not to move any longer. More convenience without a compromise on sound quality, extra hiss etc...
    Last edited: Sep 10, 2019
  9. imarks

    imarks Ian Marks

    I've been practicing my bass with a few friends (guitar, keys and vox) for a while now and got to the point where we could conceivably call ourselves a band!

    Anyway, someone heard us practicing the other day and asked us to play at a tennis club social event. We only play covers of other people's music and it occurred to me that we might need to get permission from the copyright holders if we were to play publicity.

    Does anyone know how all this works? Do we need some sort of licence? We won't be being paid if that makes a difference.

  10. Tony L

    Tony L Administrator

    It is the venue that needs a PRS license, not the band. You’d only get into trouble if you try to sell a covers record or CD without appropriate songwriting/publishing clearance etc, other than that its all down to the venue.
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  11. imarks

    imarks Ian Marks

    Thanks Tony, make sense. I'm sure the tennis club would have a licence as they often have live music.

  12. Tony L

    Tony L Administrator

    Arse. The seller (a Japanese shop) had already sold it, so I’ve just taken a refund... and within about 25 minutes spent more than twice as much on another Rat! Lets hope this one turns up! I don’t blame the Japanese seller, I’ve made similar mistakes with records and he was very apologetic and me offered a later one (too late, would have had the wrong chip).

    It really irks me as I’m 95% sure I still own one. I can’t recall selling it, but I also can’t remember seeing it since my little studio back in about ‘93, so chances are it went in the utter chaos when that went.

    Its a bloody stupid amount of money for an old FX pedal, and I’d not normally be such a snob, but they do sound better than the current ones and that seems to be about the going rate for a reasonably tidy one. My original one would be worth a good chunk more as it was definitely ‘80s as I bought it second hand in 1990 from someone I was teaching Cobol to of all things. IIRC I paid £80 for it, a Wem Copycat and a Boss flanger (that would have been worth a bit too as it would have been a Japanese one! I never liked it much so swiftly moved that on, the Rat and knackered Copycat were the fun things there!).

    I’ve now got far too many FX pedals so a couple can go, certainly the Boss DS-1 (old enough to be through-hole, so a good modification candidate) and I’ve also got a BB-1X which is a fancy bass overdrive I never use (I bought it to see if I could get that Miles Davis Jack Johnson/Bitches Brew bass sound. I couldn’t). Rat, Blues Driver, DD-7 sounds like a good pedal board to me. Well, until I talk myself into a Space Echo...
  13. Tony L

    Tony L Administrator


    Rat turned up a few days ago, all good and definitely the distortion sound I’ve been looking for, i.e. absolutely bonkers/sonic equivalent of a mic’d up chainsaw. I spent the afternoon making some decent patch leads out of an over-long old guitar lead (which is now 1m shorter!) and six new Neutrik plugs. Got one over in case I want to patch anything else in, though I’d need to sort the power out for that as I’ve only got three outs at present from the Boss wall-wart PSU. All makes a good racket anyhow.
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  14. claire.foxx

    claire.foxx Trans lives matter


    Just in case you lot here in OT don't go to the music room, my two months absent have been spent quitting the band, forming a bass/drums two-piece and recording a single as Claire Foxx and The Antisocial Justice Worriers. Rise Up/Problem Child for 'Monetising Dissent' Records, a double A sided vinyl lossless download so I am dutifully whoring produckt out. Go help me pay for some surgeries.

    Get thee there: https://www.pinkfishmedia.net/forum...-problem-child-vinyl-release-imminent.232088/

    Sweary content. No at all sorry.
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  15. HairyHaggis

    HairyHaggis <((((º>`•.¸¸.•´¯`•.¸.•´¯`•...¸><((((º>¸.

    been messing about with this, because the style is quite diff to what i normally play (blues, southern rock, west coast, little feat etc) but mainly cos i love larry carlton's stuff. it's great playing, with lovely phrasing. at around 0.45 - 1.05 it gets briefly sublime. who says you need a 335 for this kinda stuff? :)
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  16. gavreid

    gavreid pfm Member

    I do ;)
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  17. Tony L

    Tony L Administrator

    Damn it, Josh’s crazy custom guitar at the end has way, way more pickup switching options than even my Yam (I have three single coils and every possible combination of on/off and in/out of phase)!

    PS TPS this week features Mick getting baffled by ambience.
  18. matthewr

    matthewr spɹɐʍʞɔɐq spɹoɔǝɹ ɹnoʎ sʎɐld

    Ambience problems can be fixed by just replacing all those delay and modulation effects with MOAR OVERDRIVES.
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  19. claire.foxx

    claire.foxx Trans lives matter

    This is a truth.
    (I still haven’t found a use for anything delay/time related. My entire pedalboard is basically a big old tray of different flavours of dirt.)
  20. Tony L

    Tony L Administrator

    As someone influenced by everything from Hawkwind, Durutti Column, shoegaze etc I really can’t imagine life without it. My ideal would be to swap the DD-7 (which I use on its DM-2 emulation most of the time) for a proper tape Roland Space Echo, ideally one if the ones with chorus, but that is getting crazy expensive for a good properly refurbished one.

    PS I’m half tempted to buy another Wem Copicat, the ‘70s solid state ones go for a fraction of a Space Echo, and based on the one I ‘lost’ they sound great partially broken too. Mine had absolutely trashed heads which just made it sound really muddy, which was kind of cool!

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