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Guitar talk: acoustic, bass, classical, twelve string? You name it!

Discussion in 'off topic' started by windhoek, Oct 20, 2016.

  1. andyoz

    andyoz pfm Member

    The more I look and listen to Gary Moore, the more I see what a freaky player he was.

    He would do these shreds that were totally in keeping and could hold a single note like Gilmour too.
     
  2. Tony L

    Tony L Administrator

    I like proper blues, e.g. John Lee Hooker, Muddy Waters etc and would certainly suggest that was worth a look if you haven’t already mined it. I’ve likewise never had any time for metal aside from a short time where I found Napalm Death and their ilk somewhat amusing.

    Bizarely I do own very upmarket and collectable Classic Records audiophile cuts of the first four Led Zep albums (they came in with a collection). They are just sitting in my collection as an appreciating asset really, I’ve never connected with the band at all beyond maybe a couple of tracks on the first album, and Whole Lot Of Love remnds me of one particular pub and time-period. Not something I’d ever dig out to play. My main problem with all those blues rock bands is they are entirely negated by Jimi Hendrix. There is just no point to them as say Electric Ladyland is just in a whole other ballpark, as is say A Tribute To Jack Johnson by Miles Davis. Its like trying to copy say Durutti Column, there just isn’t anywhere further to go in that direction!

    My favourite guitarists these days are the likes of Kenny Burrell, Grant Green, Wes Montgomery, George Benson etc I guess, i.e. very much jazz. It doesn’t influence what I play as I can’t do that sort of stuff at all! I’m still a fifth-rate punk/new-wave guitarist, if that.
     
  3. matthewr

    matthewr spɹɐʍʞɔɐq spɹoɔǝɹ ɹnoʎ sʎɐld

    It's just the blues rock stuff traditionally associated with guitars that never really clicked with me. But pretty much anything else.

    In terms of playing I am pretty terrible. But then I saw a youtube video on "what to learn next for improving guitarists" and it turns out I know more than I think and I suspect I am at the level lots of people get stuck at because you need a) lots of practise and b) talent to get past.

    Currently trying to learn SRVs "Pride & Joy" because it's just such a great freaking tune to play even badly. I can do the intro and almost, sort of half do the main shuffle. And it's such a fantastic guitar tone which just needs a tube screamer

    PS Jazz is easy. Just play all the notes you normally miss out :)
     
  4. Whaleblue

    Whaleblue Southbound

    Just need to get the order right, and you’re there.

    No-one has mentioned one of my favourite rock-blues players. Rory Gallagher. If I could play a tenth as well as him I’d be extremely happy.
     
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  5. -alan-

    -alan- pfm Member

    To us, he was the Man.

    Saw him in the Ulster hall c. 1978(ish). Broke a string early in the opening number - Souped Up Ford - but just kept going all the way through a 3 song blitzkrieg medley. We then met him coming out of one of the local hostelrys at about 2am that morning - how's it going lads/nod of the head and a smile. Lovely genuine guy.
     
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  6. ian123running

    ian123running pfm Member

    Love listening to guitar but totally useless at playing. I recently acquired this beauty - Fender Squier Telecaster Thinline (thanks so much @Whaleblue !) and am thoroughly enjoying it. I'm a total beginner - when I last played, 10 years ago, it was mainly finger picking / folk style but now I am trying to get used to using a plectrum and maybe picking out some tunes. I don't really know what I'm doing but it's fun to pause, most days, and play a little. I have a basic practice amp so a very simple set-up.

    [​IMG]IMG_3004 by Ian123_running, on Flickr

    The last good guitarist I saw was the session leader in a 'play what you bring' bar in Barcelona last month. He played like he was born holding a guitar. Amazing.

    Great thread btw
     
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  7. Yank

    Yank Bulbous Also Tapered

  8. -alan-

    -alan- pfm Member

    ^ Wouldn't mind a couple of those :)
     
  9. gavreid

    gavreid pfm Member

    Anyone tried the Waves PRS amp simulation plug-ins? I've had them for a week or so now and I've been floored by the experience ($49 at the moment). They work too as stand-alone apps so you don't need a daw and all that gubbins, just a cheap Focusrite or somesuch and a buffer (like a BOSS tuner say)

    [​IMG]
    https://www.waves.com/plugins/prs-supermodels
     
  10. matthewr

    matthewr spɹɐʍʞɔɐq spɹoɔǝɹ ɹnoʎ sʎɐld

  11. gavreid

    gavreid pfm Member

  12. matthewr

    matthewr spɹɐʍʞɔɐq spɹoɔǝɹ ɹnoʎ sʎɐld

    It has power amp modelling but the WoS is more about cab and mic sims and rack/studio effects.
     
  13. -alan-

    -alan- pfm Member

    Spent a fair bit of time the last while trying to get 'a nice tone' from the two LP / Humbuckers type guitars - and trying to understand the relative importance of the pickups / volume and tone settings / and the amplifier settings. There are endless videos around showing how to use the volume and tone settings front and rear to create a variety of tones - which works even on my cr@ppy amp (..to a degree).

    Then came across a further video by the (usually) controversial Scott Grove:



    Bit of a long video, probably not worth watching all the way through unless you have to much time to burn. The essence of it is that the best tones are invariably found by just cracking the volume and tone controls on the guitar pickups round to full (or pretty close) - to give the amps the best signal to work with - and then sort your sound preferences out using the controls on the amp.

    I can see parallels with the higher end boxes in the audiophile world, where 'tone' controls are viewed as unnecessary additions in the signal path, and viewed as a bit of an anathema.(He is a custom guitar builder by trade, and puts his money where his mouth is by excluding volume/tone controls on his own creations.)

    A bit of experimentation suggests - again on a pretty poor amp - he may not be too far off the mark. (Also happens to confirm I need a decent amp sooner rather than later. which is another matter.. :()

    I was wondering - what's the general experience out there for finding and nailing down the best tone: play around with anything and everything until you hit a sweet spot, or do you have some kind of rules and structured approach like our man above ?
     
  14. Tony L

    Tony L Administrator

    I think a lot depends on whether you have a guitar with the type of volume knob that robs treble as you turn it down or not, and if so whether that suits your style/taste or not. My Yam SC1200 doesn’t seem to do this, the volume just seems to make it quieter/louder. As such I tend to set things up so my Boss BD-2 is starting to ‘crunch’ with the guitar on 6-7 on both vol and tone, which makes for a lot of range just using the guitar’s controls and pickup selector. Same with a good fuzz pedal, you want to control that with the guitar vol knob, not the knobs on the pedal as I understand it.

    PS I’ll watch the vid later and see if I change my mind any!
     
  15. gavreid

    gavreid pfm Member

    I think I've decided to buy a LP style kit from Crimson, as a project for a few weeks to replace my current chinese job. I'm missing my Crimson and I want something to do on rainy days and Sundays ;-) I'm thinking the kind of bursts that BigD does with alcohol based leather dye


    https://crimsonguitars.com/store/kit-guitar-lp-type/
     
  16. Tony L

    Tony L Administrator

    Excellent, I’ll be interested to see how you get on. The Crimson kits do look really nice quality. My only concern with them is once you’ve paid for the kit, pickups, finish, necessary tools etc etc you could probably have bought one of their rather cool Raw Series, maybe even a Custom!
     
  17. gavreid

    gavreid pfm Member

    I know, that's absolutely right, but I have all the hardware already, a good guitar toolbox, and some Monty's pafs! My right arm's bu**ered so I will need to do it all left handed - that's the real issue.
     
  18. Tony L

    Tony L Administrator

    When restringing my £50 ‘70 Yam classical earlier I had my first go with the Crimson Fretboard Restorative stuff I bought a while back. It seems really nice stuff, far ‘gloopier’ than the lemon oil that came with my Gibson kit and seems to sit there far longer rather than evaporating off. I very much doubt I’ll be using lemon oil again.
     
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  19. Stunsworth

    Stunsworth pfm Member

    For those who only occasionally watch “Guitar of the Day” from Norman’s Rare Guitars on YouTube, presenter Mark Agnesi is leaving to join Gibson as “Director of Brand Experience”.
     
  20. gavreid

    gavreid pfm Member

    I've watched GotD religiously from the beginning. It won't be the same without Mark but that's a great move by Gibson inventing a high profile position like that. I wonder if the move's in anticipation of Norm's retirement in the next few years, he's clearly selling off his 'collector-grade' stock.
     

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