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How do I spend more than 50 quid on speakers!?

Discussion in 'audio' started by Minio, May 13, 2019.

  1. Charlie_1

    Charlie_1 pfm Member

    I want to try JBL L40s but they seem quite rare.
  2. ff1d1l

    ff1d1l pfm Member

    Not in my house ;)
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  3. Minio

    Minio pfm Member

    As I lay me down to sleep, please God, can my speakers not be fun!

    Actually, and I digress, Naim is not overpriced.

    Its what people pay for it. They don't have to!
    booja30 likes this.
  4. cjarchez

    cjarchez pfm Member

    Mine are not for sale but I can heartily recommend Opera Mezza 2012s.
    They do everything the op mentioned and have great imaging.
    I saw a couple of pairs on €bay recently.
  5. Mr Pig

    Mr Pig ^'- -'^

    No, you're in luck as the 505s really aren't very difficult to beat. Me? I'd say linn Saras. They'll do everything you like about the 505 but much better. Don't buy them if you live in a flat though as they do actual bass.
  6. Minio

    Minio pfm Member

    The speaker I remember bettering the 505 would be Dynaudio 1.8 Contour mk2 and some others. Obviously better. More expensive speakers are better but they are also harder to please in terms of drive requirements and room dependency, not to mention personal taste.

    So I suppose the difficulty is in taking the jump from low cost practicality to higher cost liability.
  7. Elephantears

    Elephantears Trunkated Aesthete

    OP, it might be worth saying how much more than £50 you are willing to spend? Could you stretch to £2k or £3k, for example?

    And presumably you are firing across the 3.5m room? So you have a relatively near-field set up, probably like my room. How wide apart do you set the speakers? Presumably they are a nice distance from the corners? Perhaps around 30cm behind?

    If all the above sounds right, I tried some Proac D30 R in my room, which is the same width but not as long. Sadly the bass was too much, but with your extra dimension you could accomodate them.
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  8. Allaboutmusic

    Allaboutmusic pfm Member

    Hi Minio, I have a room similar size to yours but a more modest system of rega brio 2017, rega dac-r and rega planar 3 with exact and have a sonos connect for streaming. However I tried loads of speakers at different price points including kef ls50, dynaudio Emit M10, harbeth p3esr, spendor a4, b&w 706 s2 and neat motive sx3 plus some of the larger harbeths which I just didn't like.

    My favourite two were the neats and harbeth, ended up going for the neats as they had more bass. Although I really liked the harbeth there was just a few of my favourite songs where the lower frequency were gone.

    In terms of your requirements the neats are a dry, quick and fun speaker to listen to with adequate bass in a small room. Go well with naim too so I am told, so might be worth a listen. They also sound excellent at lower volumes.
  9. david ellwood

    david ellwood Kirabosi Kognoscente

    To describe a speaker as fun conveys a fundamental ability of that speaker to communicate the energy and life present in music.

    Listen to some ATC SCM50, Quad ELS57 or Yamaha NS1000 for examples of speakers that are missing what Kans do in spades.

    Is easy to spend a lot of money on speakers and get wrapped up and beguiled by their strengths whilst being blind to their deficiencies.

    Bass is a particular problem as it’s very difficult to go low and tight and tuneful without considerable investment.
    Last edited: May 15, 2019
  10. Minio

    Minio pfm Member

    In this context I submit to the old Naim philosophy of the eighties. A thread pertaining recently cropped up on this forum.

    That is, in effect, that you can enjoy many upgrades in source and amplification whilst hanging on to your entry level speakers.

    Dare I say it!
    herb likes this.
  11. Charlie_1

    Charlie_1 pfm Member

    That's been my experience too, particularly musical enjoyment and engagement. For new levels of clarity and detail then perhaps not the best approach but I'm not too interested in that side of HiFi.
  12. Allaboutmusic

    Allaboutmusic pfm Member

    I would like to hear the kans, I'm a fan of mini monitors, from what I have read they are a bit of a marmite speaker. What of the modern speakers do you think would compare? I suspect the neats from the descriptions I've read but have never compared so really only a guess.
  13. david ellwood

    david ellwood Kirabosi Kognoscente

    Take a look at Ophidian prophet
  14. Romulus

    Romulus pfm Member

    With all that Naim components its screaming out for Epos ES14's, the trick is to buy them for £50 or less...!
  15. Minio

    Minio pfm Member

    I must have heard them in a shop 25 years ago.

    Driven by Naim kit I remember the characterful sound making quite an impression. Sort of deep and dark.
  16. Minio

    Minio pfm Member

  17. marshanp

    marshanp ellipsis addict

    Well that's useful - thank you. It is not an aspect of speaker performance to which I had given much thought. Not that all recordings capture "energy and life"... and some performances are not particularly energetic/lively, while still having much to commend them... so if a speaker produces those qualities regardless, is it a good one to live with?
  18. david ellwood

    david ellwood Kirabosi Kognoscente

    I think you have to decide for yourself what qualities you place most stock by. There is no perfect answer.
    booja30 likes this.
  19. retrospective

    retrospective pfm Member

    Am i the only one reading this as you like your speakers???

    If so build a system that eeks everything out of them.

    Personally i'd focus on amps i'd buy a few used oldies and have a play with them,discard what doesn't cut the mustard.
  20. foxwelljsly

    foxwelljsly Keep Music Vile

    Royd Edens or Linn Katans

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