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How Long Before A Vote Of No Confidence In Johnson Government?

Discussion in 'off topic' started by maxflinn, Jul 24, 2019.

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How long before a vote of no confidence in Johnson's Government?

  1. Within a week.

    2 vote(s)
    1.5%
  2. Within a month

    4 vote(s)
    3.0%
  3. Before October 31st

    59 vote(s)
    44.7%
  4. After a no deal Brexit

    10 vote(s)
    7.6%
  5. Not at all.

    36 vote(s)
    27.3%
  6. After failing to deliver Brexit on October 31st

    21 vote(s)
    15.9%
  1. Caledon1297

    Caledon1297 pfm Member

  2. TheDecameron

    TheDecameron Unicorns fart glitter.

    House of Lords report puts UK food production at just under 50% of what we consume with an additional 30% coming from the EU, dwarfing any other source.
     
  3. Stunsworth

    Stunsworth pfm Member

    I found this summary...

    https://www.countryfile.com/news/can-the-uk-feed-itself-after-brexit/

    Apparently we're in with a chance if we stop eating meat and eat the animal feed instead.

    Time to invest in the turnip futures market.
     
  4. Brian

    Brian Eating fat, staying slim

    Heard today there is cauliflower shortage. No doubt the wx is due to brexit.
     
  5. Bob McC

    Bob McC Living the life of Riley

    We didn’t manage to become self sufficient in food during Churchill's Time as PM in WW II.

    And believe me, Johnson is no Churchill.
     
  6. TheDecameron

    TheDecameron Unicorns fart glitter.

    Senior Tories attacking each other publicly. Hammond is being called a failed chancellor for not delivering Brexit by the deadline. The attacks are coming from Cleverly, not Johnson who’s obviously taken the view, why buy a dog and bark yourself.
     
  7. Sue Pertwee-Tyr

    Sue Pertwee-Tyr pfm Member

    We’ll just have to eat that positive mental attitude he’s urging us to adopt. I’m sure he’s right and it’s all going to be fine.
     
  8. stevec67

    stevec67 pfm Member

    Yeah, well the roads go without saying, don't they?
     
  9. Still

    Still he said his naim was ralph

    Can we agree on Wet Narnia?
     
  10. stevec67

    stevec67 pfm Member

    Not a chance. Unless you like fish meal and rapeseed husks.

    Precisely. Or anytime since.

    Still, it's a solution to the obesity crisis. Nobody is obese in Venezuela. Every cloud.
     
  11. davidsrsb

    davidsrsb pfm Member

    Scotland could add huge areas of forest by abolishing most of the grouse moors, get even more into carbon capture and renewable energy.
    The bare hills are mostly man made
     
    Last edited: Aug 15, 2019 at 4:00 AM
  12. gavreid

    gavreid pfm Member

    Jeremy Corbyn has urged the leaders of the other opposition parties and Tory rebels to install him as caretaker PM in order to stop a no-deal Brexit.

    If he wins a no-confidence vote in the government, the Labour leader plans to delay Brexit, call a snap election and campaign for another referendum.

    Mr Corbyn outlined his plan in a letter, saying the caretaker government would be "strictly time-limited".

    Liberal Democrat leader Jo Swinson dismissed the plans as "nonsense".

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-49352250
     
  13. Stunsworth

    Stunsworth pfm Member

    "Jeremy Corbyn is not the person who is going to be able to build an even temporary majority in the House of Commons for this task"

    If someone other than Corbyn _could_ get a majority should Labour put the country before party and ditch him?
     
  14. gavreid

    gavreid pfm Member

    Labour will not ditch him. Swinson and others have a certain responsibility on their hands now - no deal should focus their minds somewhat. Anyway VoNC first then the negotiations
     
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  15. ks.234

    ks.234 pfm Member

    Having rejected an opportunity to stop Brexit, and given her voting record on the EU....
    • voted Against or Abstained more often than she has voted For EU integration
    • Against referendum on EU membership
    • Both For and Against Rights of EU nationals to remain
    ...is Jo Swinson’s commitment to Remain heartfelt?
     
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  16. Tony L

    Tony L Administrator

    The problem remains the Labour Party as it looks exceptionally unlikely Corbyn could get his own gammon onside to effectively vote against the Brexit they so desire. The suggestion I’ve heard is maybe more than 30 Labour votes are in play, which is far more than the number of Tories likely to cross sides or abstain, i.e. Labour would call and likely lose their own VoNC as the party is such a hopeless conflicted mess.

    The current Lib Dem position is highly disappointing. They should join the other progressive parties in tentatively backing the VoNC, but on the condition a referendum with remain vs. Tory mess is the very first thing on the agenda. Any notion of a cloud-cuckooland Labour Brexit vs. Remain needs knocking right on the head as there is no hope in hell Labour will ever win a general election. The Libs, Greens etc need to stay tightly focused on reversing the hard-right Brexit project.
     
  17. ff1d1l

    ff1d1l pfm Member

    Great excuse. Should have ditched him after A50.
     
  18. TheDecameron

    TheDecameron Unicorns fart glitter.

    They need to be driven out. They’ve sterilised the land and introduced a monoculture of living clay pigeons. The fact that Dacre owns one says it all. Legislation to reverse the damaging effects of intensive commercial grouse moors is needed and would have the advantage of wiping out his investment overnight. What’s not to like?
     
  19. ks.234

    ks.234 pfm Member

    Agree with all of that. Labour needs to realign itself so that it's not defined by 'the working class Brexit vote", which to my mind, being so inward and backward looking is anyway, contrary to Socialism.

    The Lib Dem position has been one worthy of respect for decades, but under Jo Swinson it seems to have taken a lurch to the right.

    Even on the central issue of Brexit, Swinson seems to save most of her venom for Corbyn rather than Johnson. Now that she has effectively distanced herself from supporting a VoNC, I do wonder what her true position is.

    I would be genuinely interested to hear the thoughts on Swinson from one of the more rational centrist posters and Lib Dem supporter like yourself. Her voting record suggests someone who is very right wing, her voting record on Europe is far from encouraging, She's close to the Tories on Austerity, Health, Education and treatment of the less well off, and she it seems she'll be more comfortable with Johnson in a VoNC.

    She's even against PR.

    What am I missing? What are the Swinson positives?
     
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  20. Seanm

    Seanm pfm Member

    Labour have already whipped 3 times for a referendum: the numbers need to change. Also, a GE can be arranged much more quickly than a referendum: it’s the kind of thing a caretaker government can do, without having to deal with budgets, foreign policy decisions etc. Also, we need something apart from remain on the referendum ballot that isn’t no deal. Putting no deal on the ballot would be utterly reckless.

    These are just basic practical necessities: we don’t even need to get into questions of legitimacy and so on (although these are important). Your average remainer can be forgiven for not considering them, in the same way that your average leaver can be forgiven for not considering the wider consequences of of no deal: nobody tells them. But any professional pundit or politician saying that Corbyn should simply call a referendum is either a grifter or an idiot, 100%.
     
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