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How would you vote in a General Election?

Discussion in 'off topic' started by Swamp Thing, Jun 2, 2019.

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How would you vote in a General Election?

  1. A Brexit Party (Brexit, UKIP)

    22 vote(s)
    11.6%
  2. A Remain Party (Liberal Democrat, Green, SNP, Change UK, Plaid, Sinn Fein, SDLP, Alliance)

    123 vote(s)
    65.1%
  3. The Labour Party

    35 vote(s)
    18.5%
  4. The Conservative Party

    7 vote(s)
    3.7%
  5. Other (Raving Looney, DUP etc)

    2 vote(s)
    1.1%
  1. Swamp Thing

    Swamp Thing Post Brexit Interregnum, ready for the Apocalypse?

    Just to get some perspective on the overall pfm demographic.
     
  2. Sue Pertwee-Tyr

    Sue Pertwee-Tyr pfm Member

    I usually end up voting tactically, as until relatively recently, my constituency was Tory (which, FTAOD, I am not). So while I intend to vote for a Remain party, I may end up voting Labour if, and only if, it looks like voting otherwise would put Tory or Brexit in. My local MP (Labour) is excellent, so supporting her would present no problem to me whatsoever, but at this point supporting a clear Remain party is still my priority.
     
  3. i.j.russell

    i.j.russell pfm Member

    I had voted Labour ever since i have been old enough to vote. I voted LD in the recent EU Elections. I won’t vote for Labour again whilst Corbyn is the Leader.
     
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  4. blossomchris

    blossomchris I feel better than James Brown

    Not sure I can be arsed to vote, why bother when it is all fragmented among remainers choices, and the other lot may have self interest at heart.

    I do not want this blood on my hands, you can keep this so called democracy shit

    Bloss
     
  5. Tony L

    Tony L Administrator

    A ‘remain’ party even if the general election is well after Brexit and the damage has already been done, i.e. who made the right arguments and stood against it is important to me.
     
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  6. SteveS1

    SteveS1 I heard that, pardon?

    As things stand a Remain party/alliance, which would change if Labour get behind putting any WA outcome to a vote. They should also get on the front foot regarding what else a vote for Farage means.
     
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  7. ks.234

    ks.234 pfm Member

    I can’t answer this. If Labour come out for Remain, then they will likely get my vote. If they don’t, my vote, along with my membership will both go off back to the Greens
     
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  8. blossomchris

    blossomchris I feel better than James Brown

    How will that help when the long term outcome is unknown, you will never know how honest anyone is in politics, not the ones in the media spotlight for sure.
    The good guys keep mum and thus become cogs in the party machine. System is b....xed

    Bloss
     
  9. thebiglebowski

    thebiglebowski pfm Member

    Without being too nasty this place is full of champagne socialists with a sprinkling of gammon so it's always going to be a very strong remain vote.
     
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  10. Tony L

    Tony L Administrator

    To my mind making the correct arguments in opposition, or even out the wilderness, is a very important aspect of politics, e.g. Caroline Lucas is an exceptionally powerful voice for environmental values and against the ugly right-wing nationalism of Brexit despite the Greens only holding one seat.
     
  11. ks.234

    ks.234 pfm Member

    FIFY
     
  12. gary1064

    gary1064 pfm Member

    My constituency has never returned anything other than a tory MP, in the 2017 election he had a 20K+ majority. I can't help but feel it's a waste of time voting in our FPTP system. I voted labour last time and would do so again if they had an unequivocal position on Brexit, if not then maybe LD.
     
  13. twotone

    twotone pfm Member

    I have voted labour my entire adult life but I'm finished with them, at the recent EU elections I didn't vote (first time in a long time) but in a GE I'll be voting for a remain party don't know who though but it won't be SNP or LD.
     
  14. Arkless Electronics

    Arkless Electronics Trade: Amp design and repairs.

    Can we have the names of the 3 fascists please. Nuremberg time! fresh jury of kangaroos flown in from Oz specially!
     
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  15. Arkless Electronics

    Arkless Electronics Trade: Amp design and repairs.

    I'll still vote for them as there are bigger issues than Brexit. Achieving proper socialist policies being the biggest of all.
    It's a close thing though and something that's put me off Labour far more than their Brexit fence sitting has been that they won't tell those accusing them of antisemitism where to shove it! It is this that changed my mind when I was on the verge of becoming a card carrying sub paying member of Labour not long ago.
     
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  16. Sue Pertwee-Tyr

    Sue Pertwee-Tyr pfm Member

    I'd agree, and I'm broadly very supportive of Green politics (voted Green in the recent Euro elections). But, the thing that always holds me back is their opposition to nuclear power.

    Now I know, Chenobyl, Fukushima, and all that, and I don't treat this lightly, truly I don't, but I've come to the firm conclusion that we won't address global CO2 emissions, and hence climate change, without substantial help from nuclear generation*. And, for me, the global threat is more significant than the more local threat of events like Fukushima and Chernobyl (though again, please don't think I'm in any way underplaying their effect).

    This map is instructive:

    https://www.electricitymap.org/?page=map&solar=false&remote=true&wind=false

    Click on the 'Production' tab and it shows the country/regional CO2 emissions from electricity generation. Green being best, dark brown being worst. And the thing you notice is that the greenest areas largely rely on a lot of nuclear, unless the region is naturally blessed with significant renewable resource, usually hydro.

    *And, I support 'next generation' nuclear, which would a) be based on much less risky Thorium reactors or b) use 'spent' fuel, or stockpiled military Plutonium as fuel stock, thus also helping to deal with those issues too. But we won't get next-gen nuclear until the public gets behind it, or politicians stop being afraid of public opinion on the issue. Hence why I think the current Green stance is a little blinkered.
     
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  17. Swamp Thing

    Swamp Thing Post Brexit Interregnum, ready for the Apocalypse?

    I think that is part of the point. Similar to when the BBC interview one of the 99.9% of the Economists who think Brexit is bad for the economy and then find one of the 0.1% "Captain Rum" who says it is a good idea - you might be forgiven for thinking something other than Captain Rum is a loon. On the various Brexit, Labour etc threads you could almost be forgiven for thinking there is a real 50/50 (or 52/48) tussle on pfm between Remain and Lexit-or-2nd-vote-or-GE. But let's just see.
     
  18. Swamp Thing

    Swamp Thing Post Brexit Interregnum, ready for the Apocalypse?

    We've seen from the European results that the number of voters voting in a particular way can have an impact. If (for example) all the Labour MPs have their majorities slashed to a few hundred votes because of their incoherence on Brexit, or all the Conservative MPs face the same because of a mix of losing all their remain voters and a lot of their leavers as they are seen to be prevaricating - policy can still be changed by a swing in the vote.
     
  19. Tony L

    Tony L Administrator

    I agree with you, I have a conflict with that policy too for the same reasons. I’m sure there is no party I’m in full agreement with. To my mind the smaller parties such as the Greens, LDs etc are a very useful ‘ideology-brake’ on the larger ones in a hung-parliament or coalition. They can prevent some stupid things happening and also get some significant issues on the table.
     
  20. George J

    George J Herefordshire member

    Firstly I would need to read and inwardly digest the various manifestos. Then I would need to treat these to the filter of probable understanding of the integrity of the publications based on previous commitments, upheld or not.

    I'd probably abstain or vote Green as it stands based on integrity ...
     

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