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Incident on London Bridge - Police shots fired

Discussion in 'off topic' started by lordsummit, Nov 29, 2019.

  1. stevec67

    stevec67 pfm Member

    Just as well I'm not trying to score cheap points like you. I thought you were better than that, you've managed to demonstrate that you're not.
  2. Joe

    Joe pfm Member

    ........and yet................................

    " I thought you were better than that, you've managed to demonstrate that you're not."
  3. flatpopely

    flatpopely Prog Rock/Moderator

    Both sets of parents of the victims are showing remarkable courage and humility in NOT wanting their childrens deaths used for poltical point scoring.
  4. stevec67

    stevec67 pfm Member

    Yes indeed. This is a factual statement, EV's arguments are usually good and this cheap shot is piss poor, as has been pointed out by others here. I really did think he was better than that, and to call this out is not a cheap shot.
  5. eternumviti

    eternumviti pfm Member

    Hang on just a minute, you're really accusing me of taking the cheap shots? This logic isn't merely contorted, it's twisted.

    My remark was aimed (as well you know) at the small handful on this thread who are using it to give vent to their spiteful prejudices over the matter of people who were educated at Eton College, of whom it seems that you are a something of a leading light.

    For all of the perceptions of Eton as a standard bearer of wealth, influence and privelege, it is worth bearing in mind that as well as all the rapacious and grimly unapologetic greasy pole capitalists of your imagination, the college has given us some of our greatest statesmen, intellectuals, scientists, doctors, artists, writers, playwrights, musicians and benefactors, not to mention soldiers, of whom a staggering 1157 gave their lives in the Great War alone and a further 748 in the last war, a pretty impressive contribution to your ability to be able to live a life of freedom and opportunity.

    It might be worth also mentioning that benefactors to the school, undoubtedly the vast majority themselves old Etonians and therefore seething 'millionaire racists', give around £7 million a year to provide bursaries for pupils whose parents can't afford the fees. There are around 80 pupils who pay no fees at all. One such scheme is the Orwell (another OE) Bursary, which provides £100,000 a year for a dozen kids from absolutely any background who cares to apply for it, and which has given undreamt of opportunities to children from often very poor backgrounds. Some of them, you will be shocked to learn, even come from racial and religious minorities.

    Zip it, Steve, you're out of order on this one, and you know it.
  6. TheDecameron

    TheDecameron Unicorns fart glitter.

    I agree, yet regrettably their voices went unheeded by someone in a position of the highest responsibility.
  7. Tony L

    Tony L Administrator

    There is a clear difference to be observed between the privilege of Eton and the truly vile class-warrior elitism of the Bullingdon Club. I suspect some may not be making that distinction.
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  8. Joe Hutch

    Joe Hutch Mate of the bloke

    Well, quite. George Orwell went to Eton!
  9. eternumviti

    eternumviti pfm Member

    The Bullingdon Club relates to Oxford University. I don't imagine it exists any more.
  10. Bob McC

    Bob McC Living the life of Riley

    That’ll be the Orwell Bursary that has been in existence since July 2019 ( that’s 6 months!) will it?

    A critic might say its creation is a cynical reaction to the threat of charitable status removal.
    Last edited: Dec 2, 2019
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  11. Joe Hutch

    Joe Hutch Mate of the bloke

    It does.
  12. Tony L

    Tony L Administrator

    It still exists (Wikipedia) and will almost certainly be providing us with vile entitled class-warriors to lead the Conservative Party for quite some time.
  13. ks.234

    ks.234 pfm Member

    Eton fees are over 14,000 a half (although there appear to be 3 halves! Contorted logic or what) plus registration fees, plus acceptance fees, plus fees to do music, plus £500 to £1000 per term for ‘extras’. That comes to somewhere around £50k a year

    I make that enough for no more than two kids a year, not a dozen.

    How many of those are from poor backgrounds? How poor were these backgrounds? How many were from racial and religious minorities?
  14. Joe Hutch

    Joe Hutch Mate of the bloke

    Depends whether it's £100,000 or 12 times £100,000.
  15. TheDecameron

    TheDecameron Unicorns fart glitter.

    Not everyone one who went to Eton is a racist or a millionaire, the description was more specific. Are you working yourself up? for you don’t seem bothered about using labels like EUSSR. I view that as cack-handed but there are plenty in continental Europe who will be repelled by it because they have relatives slaughtered or falsely imprisoned and transported by Stalin. Millions of them.
  16. Tony L

    Tony L Administrator

    Proper Tory maths that; ‘two halves for me, one for you...’.
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  17. Marky-Mark

    Marky-Mark pfm Member

    All this digital ink over such a weak game. We have people with armories in their trunk who stop by public schools for target practice, or hang out hotel windows with bumpstocks banging at death metal tempo mowing down concertgoers for Lulz. Meanwhile, youze guyz are full-on estrogen overload when a cathedral catches fire.
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  18. mandryka

    mandryka pfm Member

    I’d be quite surprised if many people who went to Eton aren’t millionnaires, unless they’ve lost it or drugged it away.

    I’m not an Etonian, but I have known and do know many. In my experience the college moulds them into quite a distinctive type of person, one who is often tolerant and one who tries to be good and kind, and one who is not at all arrogant. And yet the Etonians I have known have all been quietly confident of their superiority. An Etonian is aware that he has a huge amount of cultural capital, but he doesn’t hold your relative inferiority against you. When I was at university I met people from many different schools, and the Etonian character was, I’d say, unique, distinctive.

    The cost far exceeds 14K a term by the way - that’s just the school fees. With all the rest, you can double it, or that’s what a friend of mine who sent his son there says.
  19. eternumviti

    eternumviti pfm Member

    As I recall, I withdrew the comment, which was hyperbolic.

    I don't recall many people here withdrawing comparison of the tories with the nazis, repeatedly posting up childish pictures to that effect from 'meme factory' or somesuch, indeed even saying things like J R-M is 'worse' than a Nazi. Which is to say worse than a regime which directly killed some 6 million people.
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  20. Tony L

    Tony L Administrator

    There is clear evidence the Conservative Party and their right-wing press-barons are using many Goebbels propaganda techniques, they are certainly not above demonising minorities, and they are clearly seeking to erode human rights, parliamentary scrutiny and judicial accountability (its in their manifesto!) just as the pre-war German Nazi party did. Clearly no one is comparing them to the Nazis at the height of their mass genocide, just observing similarities with the early 1930s, which should be evident to all who have even casually researched that period. Warnings from history are there to be heeded after all.
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  21. eternumviti

    eternumviti pfm Member

    I suspect that you could make similarly facile comparisons of pretty much any political party or movement with which you happen not to agree. I'm no lover of Johnson or the current crop of tories, but I think you might be losing your grip if you really believe that they are heading in the direction that the nazi party and Germany were in the 1930s.

    And yes, I've read the manifesto, including page 48.

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