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Integrated amp for P3 ESR

Discussion in 'audio' started by TonyScarlett, Dec 29, 2018.

  1. Tigerjones

    Tigerjones Bagpuss

    One of the best combinations I had with the P3s was with an Eastern Electric Mini Max pre and power amp. 8 watts. Crystal clear.
  2. Tarzan

    Tarzan pfm Member

    How do the standard P3 sound compared to the Anni version sound Mr Badger?:)
  3. badger748

    badger748 pfm Member

    Obviously they are very similar. Initially I used them on the same stands. The Anniversay ones just were a bit more refined - not huge changes - very subtle improvments in imaging and depth. Marginal gains I believe the term is. If you liked the std P3's, the Anni ones just give you a bit more.
    The biggest improvment I got was putting them on Tontrager stands. Hideously expensive - but OMG what a result.
  4. Tarzan

    Tarzan pfm Member

    Will take a gander at Tontrager stands.:)
  5. S-Man

    S-Man Kinkless Tetrode Admirer

    Blame Stan Curtis!
    hifinutt likes this.
  6. Old Shatterhand

    Old Shatterhand Odeon Audio user

    For the same reason you tell people that they don't need that much power. Their experience is different and you and they listen different music at a different distance with different volume.;)
    Last edited: Jan 12, 2019
  7. Martyn Miles

    Martyn Miles pfm Member

    Or even thank him...
  8. hifinutt

    hifinutt hifinutt

    ah thanks for that , what an amazing guy and i never knew he was the chap behind stans safari i read in hi fi critic

    BLACKMASS pfm Member

    If you don’t mind me asking…How did you get on?
  10. TonyScarlett

    TonyScarlett pfm Member

    Sorry haven't got round to posting my thoughts yet, had a busy week. Short answer to what I thought of it is; I've ordered one. Slightly longer answer is; Sound wise it is everything I have been looking for, muscular & superbly well defined bass, highly musical, slightly on the warmer side of neutral & lot's of detail but not over analytical presentation. While I was there Clive suggested I also try the Roksan Caspian which sonically is quite similar to the Exposure but just didn't seem to string the music along as effortlessly or enjoyably. I know I'm going to face some criticism for not trying out some other alternatives but as I've pointed out in previous posts, life is short & sometimes you hear something that just sounds "right". I had that experience on Saturday.
    Wilson, barryb, BLACKMASS and 3 others like this.

    BLACKMASS pfm Member

    Thanks for your response, much appreciated.

    As the saying goes ‘’when you know you know’’. I had three separate demos of Naim amps (I really wanted to like them) but they left me cold. As soon as I heard the Exposure amp it just sounded ‘right’ to me too.

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  12. Tarzan

    Tarzan pfm Member

    Good show- enjoy!:)
  13. TonyScarlett

    TonyScarlett pfm Member

    I've demoed Naim amps myself in the past, like yourself I really wanted to like them but they have always left me cold. Really looking forward to getting the Exposure, going to take a couple of weeks to arrive. Should give me time to get the Planar 6 & Trilogy 906 burned in, they should be arriving today or tomorrow.
  14. pjdowns

    pjdowns Living the Hifi dream

    Not a well known brand in the UK, but I use a Belles integrated amplifier, which succeeded a good quality Exposure pre/power combo, which was good but the Belles is in a completely different league IMHO.

    Like the above couple of comments, I much preferred Exposure over Naim, as I have always found Naim amps too forward and for me at least, devoyed of music. Much more mechanical sounding and harsh. Exposure have a similar but much warmer presentation.

    The Belles I have has a much more open, smoother and detailed sound than either the Naim or Exposure with a massive front to back sound stage and excellent positioning of the musicians.
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  15. Tarzan

    Tarzan pfm Member

    It is all go at your house.:)
  16. PeteVid

    PeteVid pfm Member

    I'm using my Harbeths with a Nad D3020 which is very pleasing to me.
  17. DSJR

    DSJR Between us and them

    I've no idea if I ever replied to this thread, so apologies. The P3 ESER is sweet enough as it is, so my suggestion is for a neutral to more assertive amp, if not a hugely powerful one as the bass driver, although good here, still has limited travel and will NEVER fill a room as the larger models do.

    Current Naims used within their limits can be surprisingly truthful/neutral if not driven to clipping upon which they HURT and the boppy mid-bass bass character should actually inject some 'verve' into the ESR's I reckon without making them boom. The Harbeth tweeter certainly won't make a meal of the sometimes 'grey' highs in *some* new Naim amps I've heard in recent years and in fairness, this greyness seems all but banished in the very latest streaming amps I've heard (yes, I've washed my mouth and ears out and remain impressed with the expensive but gorgeous current Naim streamers).

    Harbeth use Quad when designing and voicing their designs, so I'm sticking my neck out and suggesting the new Vena 2 as a minimum. It's more solid than it looks although I've not as yet used one in anger. the Artera range is a perfect match i suggest - loads of power for them and an iopen grain-free sound i personally like very much!

    My early listening to the P3 ESR's was with Croft and 'musically,' these two go together so well although the objectivists may complain about the Croft's higher than normal (for solid state) output impedance. Apparently the hideously measuring Prima Luna amps work a treat with all current Harbeths as well and to hell with the frequency response changes and ringing at 45k (according to stereophile ;))

    Of course, you could take advice from their user group and buy any old Yamaha integrated under a grand as the have the spec for it and I believe a 701 was used last year at Bristol into the P3 ESR's I seem to remember.
  18. pjdowns

    pjdowns Living the Hifi dream

    Dave, I am sorry but this is nonsense, Naim amps are anything but neutral. They are artificially fast and forward. There are so much better designs out there for such a lot less money.
  19. Old Shatterhand

    Old Shatterhand Odeon Audio user

    Why is you OPINION less nonsense compared to DSJRs OPINION?
    Jonn likes this.
  20. pjdowns

    pjdowns Living the Hifi dream

    Who said it was opinion, and why are you shouting?
    narabdela likes this.

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