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Labour at it again... anti-Semitism... #II

Discussion in 'off topic' started by Stunsworth, Jul 7, 2019.

  1. gassor

    gassor There may be more posts after this.

    Two things, you said, "If this 76 a month had been going for a decade, or even decades you might have a point." What does that mean if not 76 a month is no big deal? Secondly, I have no agenda other than trying to be honest in my comments and thinking BJ is a populist c*** of epic proportions
     
  2. maxflinn

    maxflinn Bernie Sanders 2020.

    Good twitter thread here on the weaponisation of anti-Semitism:

    THREAD: I've been called an Antisemite in the street twice by anti Labour people. I've been called AS on twitter for backing Corbyn. I've been tainted as AS in a national newspaper for tweeting Pro JC & anti TW hashtags. That's how I KNOW first hand how AS can be weaponised

    https://twitter.com/chelleryn99/status/1161707135560032256?s=20
     
  3. Brian

    Brian Eating fat, staying slim

    Jesus wept!

    Listen, almost everybody here seems to accept there is an issue. Only you and a couple of others seem to question that, for some unknown reason.

    What almost everybody is talking about is whether AS is endemic, institutionalised within the Labour party. Understand now?
     
  4. Sue Pertwee-Tyr

    Sue Pertwee-Tyr pfm Member

    Only if Still is really Caitlin Moran.
     
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  5. maxflinn

    maxflinn Bernie Sanders 2020.

    A couple of teenagers with iPhones could generate 76 complaints a month.
     
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  6. sq225917

    sq225917 situation engineer

    The labour party as case breakdown stats were posted earlier upthread. For me the noise is all out of proportion to the volume of justified complaints.
     
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  7. gassor

    gassor There may be more posts after this.

    Wrong. What "almost everybody is talking about is" is the scale of the problem. Some people like yourself think it is exaggerated, others think it is all down to a couple of teenagers with iPhones (seriously) or the Israeli embassy. The central issue is the scale of the anti-semitism in the Labour Party. And keep Jesus out of this, the poor man has suffered enough.
     
  8. PaulMB

    PaulMB pfm Member

    Seems to me a pretty pointless song-and-dance, both regarding the LP and on this forum. AS is not like fiddling expenses or making personal use of Party facilities, something that can be pinned down and documented. It is an atmosphere in interpersonal relationships, choices in what initiatives are supported and which are not. A matter of off-hand comments, raised eyebrows, invitations extended or not extended, jobs and promotions given or taken away, people included or excluded from Party activities. Evidently the anti-Israel policy of the LP has opened the doors to individuals and a weltanschauung that favours AS "atmospheres" and comments. I really don't see what can be done about that.
     
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  9. ks.234

    ks.234 pfm Member

    What “anti Israel policy”? There is no such thing.
     
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  10. Brian

    Brian Eating fat, staying slim

    Ok. Not great enough to show the problem is endemic within the party then.
     
  11. gassor

    gassor There may be more posts after this.

    I'm not convinced that the full scale of the anti-semitism has been divulged yet and until there is greater transparency on the issue no one can say whether it is endemic or not. My suspicion, for what it's worth, is that it is not endemic across the whole party, but like Corbyn I think there is the prevalence of anti-semitism in “pockets” of the party. In addition no-one will tell you Labour has handled the issue well.
     
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  12. Still

    Still he said his naim was ralph

    This is well worth a read imo:

    Labour, the Left, Antisemitism, Israel and Palestine: a way forward

    A call on the UK Labour Party, from within, to unequivocally expunge antisemitism from its ranks.
    To do so while standing up for peace and Palestinian rights is possible.


    https://www.opendemocracy.net/en/op...ntisemitism-israel-and-palestine-way-forward/

    Opinion of one = no evidence.
     
  13. cooky1257

    cooky1257 pfm Member

    Nice call but given there's a significant proportion of complaints that don't contravene the IHRA ie they are either made in error or maliciously, logic dictates they will never stop ergo that part of the 'problem' will never go away.
     
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  14. Still

    Still he said his naim was ralph

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