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Labour to abolish independent schools?

Discussion in 'off topic' started by Steven Toy, Oct 31, 2019.

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Should we abolish independent schools in the UK?

  1. Yes

    20 vote(s)
    24.7%
  2. No

    57 vote(s)
    70.4%
  3. Undecided

    4 vote(s)
    4.9%
  1. Joe Hutch

    Joe Hutch Mate of the bloke

    'A self-ordained professor's tongue
    Too serious to fool
    Spouted out that liberty
    Is just equality in school
    Equality I spoke the word
    As if a wedding vow
    But I was so much older then
    I'm younger than that now'
     
  2. Jim Audiomisc

    Jim Audiomisc pfm Member

    Well, the main school 'playground' was on the roof, with railings. You can deduce from this that we didn't really play cricket. The teacher kept the ball in his desk, or walked around the class with it in his pocket.
     
  3. eternumviti

    eternumviti pfm Member

    Who is discriminating?

    I guess prospective employers might discriminate in favour of better educated and therefore more suitable employees. I would.
     
  4. ks.234

    ks.234 pfm Member

    I didn’t ask ‘who’.
     
  5. eternumviti

    eternumviti pfm Member

    No, I did.
     
  6. ks.234

    ks.234 pfm Member

    Why?
     
  7. dweezil

    dweezil pfm Member

    One slight worry with his workers participation is how to cope with losses, we have years where we can lose substantial amounts. OK for us as we can extend the overdraft but for some of our employees living week to week that wouldn't be easy.
     
  8. eternumviti

    eternumviti pfm Member

    How do you imagine you will achieve 'equality', or stop people from discriminating in favour of the best/most suitable?
     
  9. ks.234

    ks.234 pfm Member

    Dunno. But removing discrimination might be a good place to start.
     
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  10. eternumviti

    eternumviti pfm Member

    The only practical interpretation of that that I can envisage is the well-tried Labour one of abolishing excellence and dragging everyone down to the lowest common denominator. You'll end up with the brighter kids getting bored and going bad, and commerce and industry hiring bright, hard-working Asian, European and American people who have received decent educations. It's that old chestnut of having races on sports day in which no child is permitted either to win or come last. It is utterly anti-anthropological bullshit.
     
  11. Rockmeister

    Rockmeister pfm Member

    Lack of discrimination might be that same sports day, but open to every kid in the town of a suitable age, to enter as they wish, or not, and, in the 5 years before the day, every child was allowed to go to the same training sessions and get the same coaching.
    Sound familiar? It's a comprehensive system and it would work too if only the Schools and the D of E understood that at some point, at a different point for every child in fact, that norm, the average training open to all, ceases to be good enough because some want to drop out / some to change to a new 'sport' / and some, to pull away more rapidly.
    Provide for that, and you have a proper system based on an even start and a diverse (not better, or worse) ending.
    And ta da, guess which Schools not only allow for, but encourage that approach?
     
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  12. Jim Audiomisc

    Jim Audiomisc pfm Member

    The reality that we can't achieve perfection doesn't mean we can't seek to improve the situation. And a part of the current problems is that discrimination is sometimes used to give preference to those who are (and that which is) NOT actually 'the best' in terms of actual performance. But instead are chosen by a 'badge' which has been gained by other means.

    So the *basis* of any 'discrimination' matters.
     
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  13. Jim Audiomisc

    Jim Audiomisc pfm Member

    Yes, people often "envisage" such things rather than look at the real aims, etc.

    My 'straw man detector light' flashed when I read your comment. Perhaps the scope of your ability to "envisage" needs widening a little. :)
     
    Sue Pertwee-Tyr, ks.234 and ff1d1l like this.
  14. eternumviti

    eternumviti pfm Member

    I'll stick with the extensive empirical evidence. No straw men there, just men of straw, a bunch of humourless 1970s trotsky throwbacks. That only ever goes one way.
     
  15. Mullardman

    Mullardman Moderately extreme...

    Yep.....

    If only it were true..

    But then that rarely bothers you.
     
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  16. Bob McC

    Bob McC Living the life of Riley

    Exactly.
    I’ve never read such media fed shite as he consistently vomits into this forum.
     
  17. eternumviti

    eternumviti pfm Member

    Morning Bob.
     
  18. ks.234

    ks.234 pfm Member

    Nonsense. Labour has not tried to abolish excellence or bring everyone down to the lowest common denominator. Your ideas of excellence appear to be enshrined in institutions of privilege and inherited advantage.

    If an education system is not designed for everyone, it's not fit for purpose.

    If 'excellence' is forbidden to those who cant afford it, it's morally repugnant
     
    Mullardman, Covkxw, gavreid and 2 others like this.
  19. cooky1257

    cooky1257 pfm Member

    Seems someone is a tad crippled in the envisioning department-if only you'd gone to private school just imagine how enlightened your contributions would be...
     
    ks.234 likes this.
  20. Joe Hutch

    Joe Hutch Mate of the bloke

    I was bright but very lazy. That's grammar schools for you!
     
    Gaycha likes this.

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